[sage-devel] Re: 3D Java Visualization

2006-12-13 Thread William Stein
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:43:08 -0800, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 12, 2006, at 5:00 PM, William Stein wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:10:29 -0800, Robert Bradshaw >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Dec 12, 2006, at 3:55 AM, David Joyner wrote: >>> I would say that I thin

[sage-devel] Re: 3D Java Visualization

2006-12-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Dec 12, 2006, at 5:00 PM, William Stein wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:10:29 -0800, Robert Bradshaw > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Dec 12, 2006, at 3:55 AM, David Joyner wrote: >> I would say that I think Java is the tool for the job, but the >> question is to roll our own "pure" java

[sage-devel] Re: 3D Java Visualization

2006-12-12 Thread William Stein
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:10:29 -0800, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 12, 2006, at 3:55 AM, David Joyner wrote: > I would say that I think Java is the tool for the job, but the > question is to roll our own "pure" java 3d viewer (without all the > bells and whistles like colore

[sage-devel] Re: 3D Java Visualization

2006-12-12 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Dec 12, 2006, at 3:55 AM, David Joyner wrote: > Speaking from ignorance, I'm not enthusiastic about a java requirement > but can be convinced otherwise. > (1) Can we realy distribute it now (since it is not yet GPL'd)? Java would be a platform that we would assume they already have. We woul

[sage-devel] Re: 3D Java Visualization

2006-12-12 Thread Fernando Perez
On 12/12/06, Bobby Moretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (2) is it really fast? I have found that java is annoyingly slow. > > Java has really slow startup time, which is really noticeable when it > halts Firefox. But you can expect applets to run prettty fast, once > they're running. > > Java i

[sage-devel] Re: 3D Java Visualization

2006-12-12 Thread Bobby Moretti
On 12/12/06, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Speaking from ignorance, I'm not enthusiastic about a java requirement > but can be convinced otherwise. > (1) Can we realy distribute it now (since it is not yet GPL'd)? We can't distribute java. However, we can distribute java applets, be

[sage-devel] Re: 3D Java Visualization

2006-12-12 Thread David Joyner
Speaking from ignorance, I'm not enthusiastic about a java requirement but can be convinced otherwise. (1) Can we realy distribute it now (since it is not yet GPL'd)? (2) is it really fast? I have found that java is annoyingly slow. In fact, I usually block java (for security reasons, among others

[sage-devel] Re: 3D Java Visualization

2006-12-11 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Dec 11, 2006, at 7:15 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:50:15 -0800, Robert Bradshaw > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I've been looking into the java3d api stuff. ( https:// >> java3d.dev.java.net/ )It has about every feature you can imagine >> and is >> very fast (especiall

[sage-devel] Re: 3D Java Visualization

2006-12-11 Thread Iftikhar Burhanuddin
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, William Stein wrote: > I don't know. I'd like to get feedback from more people. Already > requiring > JAVA is an obstacle, but it's a reasonable one. What does sage-devel > think? Fork? Sage, Sage+Java. >From a previous email of yours, which follows below: "Obviously, ja

[sage-devel] Re: 3D Java Visualization

2006-12-11 Thread William Stein
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:50:15 -0800, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been looking into the java3d api stuff. ( https:// > java3d.dev.java.net/ )It has about every feature you can imagine and is > very fast (especially if you have OpenGL on your machine). There is only > on