[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-30 Thread Jason Grout
On 7/29/10 12:15 PM, D.C. Ernst wrote: Thanks for all the discussion! (I never thought such a small thing would generate so much discussion.) Typically, the discussion is inversely proportional to the scope of the change and the knowledge required to understand the change. See http://bik

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-30 Thread D.C. Ernst
On Jul 29, 4:31 pm, Jason B Hill wrote: > > > > [X] minus/plus > > > > > [X] '-'/'+' > > > > > [ ] below/above > > > > > [X] left/right > > > > > [ ] from_left/from_right > > > > My votes are the same as Rob's. > > > Also my  votes are the same as Rob's :) > > Ditto. > > Jason It seems that the v

Re: [sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-29 Thread Jason B Hill
> > > > [X] minus/plus > > > > > [X] '-'/'+' > > > > > [ ] below/above > > > > > [X] left/right > > > > > [ ] from_left/from_right > > > > My votes are the same as Rob's. > > Also my votes are the same as Rob's :) > Ditto. Jason -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroup

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-29 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
On 29 čnc, 18:39, Jason Grout wrote: > On 7/29/10 9:22 AM, Rob Beezer wrote: > > > I'm going to undiplomatically poison the well as I'll be offline for > > the next few days.  I like minus/plus and '-'/'+' as a package, like > > left/right, and would not miss below/above.  With good documentatio

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-29 Thread kcrisman
> > Burcin, earlier you said that there wouldn't be any tab completion for > "from_left" and "from_right."  Why is that?  Does this have to do with > my patch or how Sage handles tab completion?  Is the default syntax > for a given command the only one that shows up for tab completion? > I think

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-29 Thread D.C. Ernst
> > [X] minus/plus > > > [X] '-'/'+' > > > [ ] below/above > > > [X] left/right > > > [ ] from_left/from_right > > My votes are the same as Rob's. Ditto. Burcin, earlier you said that there wouldn't be any tab completion for "from_left" and "from_right." Why is that? Does this have to do with m

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-29 Thread Jason Grout
On 7/29/10 9:22 AM, Rob Beezer wrote: I'm going to undiplomatically poison the well as I'll be offline for the next few days. I like minus/plus and '-'/'+' as a package, like left/right, and would not miss below/above. With good documentation, I'm less concerned about clutter. [X] minus/plus

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-29 Thread Rob Beezer
I'm going to undiplomatically poison the well as I'll be offline for the next few days. I like minus/plus and '-'/'+' as a package, like left/right, and would not miss below/above. With good documentation, I'm less concerned about clutter. [X] minus/plus [X] '-'/'+' [ ] below/above [X] left/r

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-29 Thread Rob Beezer
A rough summary so far. Correct me if you think I have not read comments correctly. Status quo is below/above and minus/plus and a patch to add from_left/from_right. * left/right is preferable to from_left/from_right * a suggestion to deprecate below/above, with no objections, and some

Re: [sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-29 Thread Jason B Hill
I suppose python takes care of this, or else the minus sign would cause some issues. For future reference to those who write LaTeX, you can use various hyphens depending on whether or not you want line-breaking. (I.e., so "line-breaking" can or cannot be split between lines at the hyphen.) I've te

Re: [sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-29 Thread Jason B Hill
> +1 on the '+' and '-'. If we had that syntax, that's what I'd teach my > > students to use since they'd already be using it in the classroom. > I'm +1 here too. I'm just paranoid and wondering if non-English/American keyboard layouts will provide one of the 9+ unicode hyphen characters that isn

Re: [sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-29 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 7/27/10 12:23 PM, D.C. Ernst wrote: > >> I'm not particularly in love with "from_*" and I am certainly >> agreeable to changing it (as suggested earlier or otherwise).  Can we >> use the symbols "+" and "-"?  This most closed mimics the sta

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-28 Thread Jason Grout
On 7/27/10 12:23 PM, D.C. Ernst wrote: I'm not particularly in love with "from_*" and I am certainly agreeable to changing it (as suggested earlier or otherwise). Can we use the symbols "+" and "-"? This most closed mimics the standard notation and is concise. Thoughts? +1 on the '+' and

Re: [sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-28 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:18 AM, ma...@mendelu.cz wrote: > > On 28 čnc, 09:39, Johannes wrote: >> > 2.  I wanted to avoid confusion about whether "left" meant "moving >> > leftward" as opposed to "from the left." >> >> +1 here seems to be more presice than just left or right. >> greatz Johannes

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-28 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
On 28 čnc, 09:39, Johannes wrote: > > 2.  I wanted to avoid confusion about whether "left" meant "moving > > leftward" as opposed to "from the left." > > +1 here seems to be more presice than just left or right. > greatz Johannes I wonder if the preferred way how to read the limit in some langua

Re: [sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-28 Thread Burcin Erocal
Hi Dana, On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:23:28 -0700 (PDT) "D.C. Ernst" wrote: > > > I suggest we add "left" and "right" (instead of "from_left" and > > > "from_right"). In addition, deprecate "above" and "below". > > > > +1 from me.  I think that would be a big improvement. > > I'm assuming that you wa

Re: [sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-28 Thread Johannes
> 2. I wanted to avoid confusion about whether "left" meant "moving > leftward" as opposed to "from the left." > +1 here seems to be more presice than just left or right. greatz Johannes -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, se

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-27 Thread D.C. Ernst
> > I suggest we add "left" and "right" (instead of "from_left" and > > "from_right"). In addition, deprecate "above" and "below". > > +1 from me.  I think that would be a big improvement. I'm assuming that you want to replace "from_left" (respectively, "from_right") with "left" (respectively, "ri

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-26 Thread Rob Beezer
Hi Burcin, > Here is the help page for the MMA command Limit: > > http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/Limit.html > > They seem to only allow -1 and 1 for the Direction argument. Yes, I looked at that later. Notice that http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/tutorial/FindingLimits.htm

Re: [sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-26 Thread Burcin Erocal
Hi Rob, On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 22:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Rob Beezer wrote: > Hi Burcin, > > As Dana Ernst has now mentioned on the ticket, this an outgrowth of > the professional development workshop that Jason Grout, Karl-Dieter > Crisman and myself have been running this summer on Sage through the >

[sage-devel] Re: new keywords for limit()

2010-07-24 Thread Rob Beezer
Hi Burcin, As Dana Ernst has now mentioned on the ticket, this an outgrowth of the professional development workshop that Jason Grout, Karl-Dieter Crisman and myself have been running this summer on Sage through the Mathematical Association of America. Dana is one of our top students. ;-) But s