[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

Have you counted thru how many developers are willing to rewrite their code (backends, frontends, etc.) for this arbitrarily defined SANE 2 "thing" ? My votes still are: preferably compatibly change SANE 1 or adopt TWAIN for Linux. On 27.03.2008, at 18:22, stef wrote: > Hello, > > be

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:52:51 +0100 Rene Rebe wrote: > Have you counted thru how many developers are willing to rewrite > their code (backends, frontends, etc.) for this arbitrarily defined SANE > 2 "thing" ? > > My votes still are: preferably compatibly change SANE 1 or adopt > TWAIN for Linux.

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

Hi, On 28.03.2008, at 09:16, Alessandro Zummo wrote: > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:52:51 +0100 > Rene Rebe wrote: > >> Have you counted thru how many developers are willing to rewrite >> their code (backends, frontends, etc.) for this arbitrarily defined >> SANE >> 2 "thing" ? >> >> My votes still

[sane-devel] hp backend fails to detect HP SCSI scanner

Hello, On Mar 27 08:16 m. allan noah wrote (shortened): > can you get the original poster to put it back to stock, and get a > debug log like this: > > SANE_DEBUG_SANEI_SCSI=5 SANE_DEBUG_HP=128 scanimage -L Done. See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=350688#c17 or the debug output di

[sane-devel] Formulardaten

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[sane-devel] [05.20] Re: SANE2 standard completion

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:34:22 +0100 Rene Rebe wrote: > > > I believe that Stef has made very clear its intentions > > to go toward SANE 2. TWAIn for linux would be a complete > > rewrite of everything, and compatible changes to SANE1 are > > already available in SANE Evolution > > > As SANE2 is

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:22 PM, stef wrote: > Hello, > > before any work can start on SANE 2, the current proposal has to be > completed. and before we can complete it, we must acknowlege that it has not been touched in 5 years, and many of its contributors are no longer active,

[sane-devel] hp backend fails to detect HP SCSI scanner

and this fix has been committed to cvs. allan On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Johannes Meixner wrote: > > Hello, > > On Mar 27 08:16 m. allan noah wrote (shortened): > > > can you get the original poster to put it back to stock, and get a > > debug log like this: > > > > SANE_DEBUG_SANEI_S

[sane-devel] [05.20] Re: SANE2 standard completion

Hi, On 28.03.2008, at 11:52, Alessandro Zummo wrote: > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:34:22 +0100 > Rene Rebe wrote: > >> >>> I believe that Stef has made very clear its intentions >>> to go toward SANE 2. TWAIn for linux would be a complete >>> rewrite of everything, and compatible changes to SANE1 are

[sane-devel] [PATCH] make scanimage work with HP ScanJet (HP 6250C), finally

Peter Kirchgessner wrote: > I have no problem if the usleep(1000) is added. If it helps, it's > ok. For a typical scan about 200 inquiries are done. So setting up the > scanner is slowed down by 0.2 seconds in total. That is far less than > the scan will need. > I don't know if it is possible with

[sane-devel] [PATCH] make scanimage work with HP ScanJet (HP 6250C), finally

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jim Meyering wrote: > Peter Kirchgessner wrote: > > I have no problem if the usleep(1000) is added. If it helps, it's > > ok. For a typical scan about 200 inquiries are done. So setting up the > > scanner is slowed down by 0.2 seconds in total. That is far les

[sane-devel] [PATCH] make scanimage work with HP ScanJet (HP 6250C), finally

"m. allan noah" wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jim Meyering wrote: >> Peter Kirchgessner wrote: >> > I have no problem if the usleep(1000) is added. If it helps, it's >> > ok. For a typical scan about 200 inquiries are done. So setting up the >> > scanner is slowed down by 0.2 sec

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

Hi Allan, On 28.03.2008, at 14:46, m. allan noah wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:22 PM, stef wrote: >>Hello, >> >>before any work can start on SANE 2, the current proposal >> has to be completed. > > and before we can complete it, we must acknowlege that it has not been > to

[sane-devel] Xsane & the Epson V200

Hello My friend has a Ubuntu 7.10 system on an older machine, which seems to work fine. I installed the drivers as suggested at http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/dl_scan.html and all is not well. It works fine at 300 dpi but 1200

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

I can not believe it. There is someone who says I will start working on SANE2 and you have nothing better to do than to tell him it is better not to do it. This is called progress. Really good. Best regards Oliver Am Freitag, den 28.03.2008, 08:52 +0100 schrieb Rene Rebe: > Have you counted t

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

"m. allan noah" wrote: Hi, >> - scanner's button handling > > this is overly complicated, and should be re-examined. For that and other reasons, I think it'd really be better to have the frontends be entirely isolated from the backends, as I explained already. This would provide a cent

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

Hi, On 28.03.2008, at 18:40, Oliver Rauch wrote: > I can not believe it. > > There is someone who says I will start working on SANE2 and you have > nothing better to do than to tell him it is better not to do it. I did not tell him not to, but expressed my disbelieve in the whole rewrite "ever

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

Hi, On 28.03.2008, at 18:40, Julien BLACHE wrote: > "m. allan noah" wrote: > > Hi, > >>>- scanner's button handling >> >> this is overly complicated, and should be re-examined. > > For that and other reasons, I think it'd really be better to have the > frontends be entirely isolated from

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

Hi, > This would provide a central point (saned) handling the hardware > entirely, it can chat with other things (HAL, anything over D-Bus, you > name it) and we totally avoid the current side effects we have today. Do you mean having some cups for scanner ? Actually, i wish not, because users d

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:49:17 +0100 Rene Rebe wrote: > > Right now the only thing I miss are marks for infra-red frames, and > maybe > a ability to pass duplex data without buffering the rear side, which > becomes > even more of a problem with the next generation, higher end devices I > got

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

?tienne Bersac wrote: Hi, > Do you mean having some cups for scanner ? Something much more simple than CUPS, but yeah, basically. > Actually, i wish not, because users don't want another service. HAL can > launch addon per device which allow to launch nothing if no scanner > present. Could yo

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

Rene Rebe wrote: Hi, > Sounds a bit Data Source Manager like-ish (in TWAIN terms), definetly > and idea for desktops. Yes. From what you told about TWAIN the other day, I think I like the architecture. I don't know enough about TWAIN to tell for sure, though. Oh, I forgot to add: we get real

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

On 28.03.2008, at 19:02, Alessandro Zummo wrote: > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:49:17 +0100 > Rene Rebe wrote: > >> >> Right now the only thing I miss are marks for infra-red frames, and >> maybe >> a ability to pass duplex data without buffering the rear side, which >> becomes >> even more of a probl

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

Hi, On 28.03.2008, at 19:09, Julien BLACHE wrote: > ?tienne Bersac wrote: > > Hi, > >> Do you mean having some cups for scanner ? > > Something much more simple than CUPS, but yeah, basically. > >> Actually, i wish not, because users don't want another service. HAL >> can >> launch addon per d

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Rene Rebe wrote: > > On 28.03.2008, at 19:02, Alessandro Zummo wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:49:17 +0100 > > Rene Rebe wrote: > > > >> > >> Right now the only thing I miss are marks for infra-red frames, and > >> maybe > >> a ability to pass duplex d

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

Hi, On 28.03.2008, at 19:13, Julien BLACHE wrote: > Rene Rebe wrote: > > Hi, > >> Sounds a bit Data Source Manager like-ish (in TWAIN terms), definetly >> and idea for desktops. > > Yes. From what you told about TWAIN the other day, I think I like the > architecture. I don't know enough about TW

[sane-devel] Xsane & the Epson V200

the sane project does not provide this driver. i would suggest that you ask the maker. allan On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Doug Robinson wrote: > Hello > > My friend has a Ubuntu 7.10 system on an older machine, which seems > to work fine. > > I installed the drivers as suggested at

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

On 28.03.2008, at 19:19, m. allan noah wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Rene Rebe wrote: >> >> On 28.03.2008, at 19:02, Alessandro Zummo wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:49:17 +0100 >>> Rene Rebe wrote: >>> Right now the only thing I miss are marks for infra-red frames, a

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Rene Rebe wrote: > > > On 28.03.2008, at 19:19, m. allan noah wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Rene Rebe wrote: > > > > > > > > On 28.03.2008, at 19:02, Alessandro Zummo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:49:17 +0100 > > > > Rene Reb

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

Hi, > Could you PLEASE stop thinking "HAL" all the time? Could you please stop taking HAL as an offense all the time ? By talking about HAL, i mean do not impose another system service and let external project do it on top of SANE, be it either a DBus daemon, a HAL addon, a regular daemon, etc.

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

On 28.03.2008, at 19:34, m. allan noah wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Rene Rebe wrote: >> >> >> On 28.03.2008, at 19:19, m. allan noah wrote: >> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Rene Rebe >>> wrote: >>> On 28.03.2008, at 19:02, Alessandro Zummo wrote: >>>

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

Rene Rebe wrote: > The TWAIN standard is open, and here is the link: > > http://twain.org/docs/TWAIN19.pdf Back in the days, ISTR it wasn't open. I'll try to find some time to go through it. > Actually the capabilities are even quite similar. That's what makes the most sense I think, so it's

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

?tienne Bersac wrote: > By talking about HAL, i mean do not impose another system service and > let external project do it on top of SANE, be it either a DBus daemon, a > HAL addon, a regular daemon, etc. Bar telling "no new service please, HAL can launch things as needed". Yeah, that's it. I

[sane-devel] SANE2 standard completion

On 3/28/08, Julien BLACHE wrote: > ?tienne Bersac wrote: > > > > By talking about HAL, i mean do not impose another system service and > > let external project do it on top of SANE, be it either a DBus daemon, a > > HAL addon, a regular daemon, etc. > > > Bar telling "no new service please, HAL

[sane-devel] SANE2, what do we want ?

Hello, it seems that the real question is what do we want for SANE future ? 1 - the current situation is perfectly fine, don't need to change a thing. 2 - only a couple of new image formats are needed, simply evolve a few things. 3 - put together the th

[sane-devel] SANE2, what do we want ?

stef wrote: Hi, > I'm rather inclined to the "3" goal, since I feel there are > quite a few things to do to improve SANE. Having a new standard > doesn't mean SANE 1 stops to exist. Both can coexist. Do you really think there is the needed manpower to co-maintain 2 versions of SANE? JB.

[sane-devel] SANE2, what do we want ?

Le Friday 28 March 2008 22:05:24 Julien BLACHE, vous avez ?crit?: > stef wrote: > > Hi, > > > I'm rather inclined to the "3" goal, since I feel there are > > quite a few things to do to improve SANE. Having a new standard > > doesn't mean SANE 1 stops to exist. Both can coexist. > > Do you

[sane-devel] SANE2, what do we want ?

Note also one thing about the SANE2 discussion: Currently I am working on getting SANE1 into the LSB (I posted already about this some months ago and no one answered). This will help us that it is much easier for scanner manufacturers to ship drivers with their scanners. They can simply build t

[sane-devel] SANE2, what do we want ?

stef wrote: Hi, Your mails are horribly formatted, please wrap your lines at 72 characters. Thanks! > indeed we are only a few people. But things can be done so > that it isn't hard to achieve. > However, does it mean you are akin to keep things as they are ? which > is -of course- perfec

[sane-devel] SANE2, what do we want ?

Till Kamppeter wrote: > ago and no one answered). This will help us that it is much easier for > scanner manufacturers to ship drivers with their scanners. They can This is all but a good thing. Currently, binary backends provided by the manufacturers are nothing more than a total annoyance.

[sane-devel] SANE2, what do we want ?

On Friday 28 March 2008, Julien BLACHE wrote: > > I'm rather inclined to the "3" goal, since I feel there are > > quite a few things to do to improve SANE. Having a new standard > > doesn't mean SANE 1 stops to exist. Both can coexist. > Do you really think there is the needed manpower to co-m