Re: WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet Framework

2003-06-25 Thread Peter Peterson
cc: > Sent by: "A mailing Subject: Re: > WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet > list for discussion Framework > about Sun > Microsystem's Java >

Re: WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet Framework

2003-06-16 Thread Mohamed Abdul Khaliq
Peter Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M> cc: Sent by: "A mailing Subject: Re: WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet list for

Re: WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet Framework

2003-06-16 Thread Peter Peterson
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Re: WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet Framework

2003-06-14 Thread Tom K
s the focus." Very interesting read, T. Kochanowicz -Original Message- From: A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java Servlet API Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Milt Epstein Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subjec

Re: WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet Framework

2003-06-14 Thread Milt Epstein
rs to for more detailed discussion of the different frameworks. > -Original Message- > From: A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java Servlet > API Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Richard Yee > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:36

Re: WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet Framework - also JOT Servlets

2003-06-14 Thread Paul Copeland
Another mature product in this category is JOT Servlets. http://www.jotobjects.com Paul Copeland, JOT Object Technologies Date:Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:48:05 -0500 From:Tom K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet Framework This is a multi-part message i

Re: WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet Framework

2003-06-14 Thread Tom K
rvlet API Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Yee Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet Framework   Have you looked at Struts? http://jakarta.apache.org/struts -Richard At 09:48 AM 6/13/2003 -0500, you

Re: WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet Framework

2003-06-13 Thread Richard Yee
Have you looked at Struts? http://jakarta.apache.org/struts -Richard At 09:48 AM 6/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: I am looking for a presentation framework to use with my servlets. Has anyone tried WebMacro or Pajes Servlet Frameworks? Any suggestions, success/failure stories out there? I am leaning

WebMacro versus Pajes Servlet Framework

2003-06-13 Thread Tom K
I am looking for a presentation framework to use with my servlets. Has anyone tried WebMacro or Pajes Servlet Frameworks? Any suggestions, success/failure stories out there? I am leaning toward Pajes but have not seen nearly as many write-ups about Pajes versus WebMacro.   TK

Re: tea, freemarker, webmacro, ecs, xmlc, struts, ... why not jsp?

2001-11-12 Thread Tim Panton
To my mind, jsp just doesn't solve my problems at the right level. This is especially true where interfaces to databases are concerned. We've been using xsql (which is an oracle product) for a couple of years now, and in most cases we can get a good degree of separation between the database/bus

tea, freemarker, webmacro, ecs, xmlc, struts, ... why not jsp?

2001-11-11 Thread Ray Tayek
hi, doing some research on servlets. reading jason hunter's 2nd edition. familiar with webmacro and freemarker. i can see the merits of the others, but it seems strange that there are so many alternatives to jsp. jsp with tags, (java) beans, forward, redirect, include ... would seem lik

[off topic] WebMacro error ?

2001-03-05 Thread Arnaud D
I just installed Webmacro and ran the examples, and this is what I below is what I got in the tomcat window. I got the classpath right, and the webmacro.properties file is found, as well as the templates. All works fine in the browser, but it seems like there is something wrong... Any ideas ? Is

Re: Anybody tried WebMacro for HTML Template ???

2001-02-17 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli
-- Forwarded Message > From: Jon Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:31:48 -0800 > Subject: Re: Anybody tried WebMacro for HTML Template ??? > > Hi. > > <http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/differences.html> > > The code is very stable

Re: Anybody tried WebMacro for HTML Template ???

2001-02-17 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli
Gene Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you mean comparable with WebMacro, or compatible? > > Anyway, it looks like Velocity is not yet released. Might not be the best > time to use it for a business app? > > Interestingly enough, I thought the WebMacro guys were

Re: Anybody tried WebMacro for HTML Template ???

2001-02-16 Thread Gene Campbell
Do you mean comparable with WebMacro, or compatible? Anyway, it looks like Velocity is not yet released. Might not be the best time to use it for a business app? Interestingly enough, I thought the WebMacro guys were pushing to get Apache to bundle it into their products. I can't be

Re: Anybody tried WebMacro for HTML Template ???

2001-02-16 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli
Gene Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Incidently, don't give up. WebMacro rocks. It's seriously the web's > missing link! Whops :) Empty message went out :) I wanted to say that you might be interested in checking out Velocity too, it's supposed to

Re: Anybody tried WebMacro for HTML Template ???

2001-02-16 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli
Gene Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Incidently, don't give up. WebMacro rocks. It's seriously the web's > missing link! Pier -- Pier Fumagalli - Sun Microsystems I

Re: Anybody tried WebMacro for HTML Template ???

2001-02-16 Thread Gene Campbell
different servlet engine. Incidently, don't give up. WebMacro rocks. It's seriously the web's missing link! - gene >I tried Webmacro as a html template engine with Weblogic 5.1 but it gives me >some errors. I tried their example but I get an error of >"class org/webmacro/W

Anybody tried WebMacro for HTML Template ???

2001-02-16 Thread Shukla, Amit
I tried Webmacro as a html template engine with Weblogic 5.1 but it gives me some errors. I tried their example but I get an error of "class org/webmacro/WebMacro not found". I had put webmacro.jar in the system's classpath. Also, in the to set the weblogic classpath for th

Re: My webmacro examples are working but cant explain backtrace

2000-11-23 Thread Justin Wells
Quoting Peter Pilgrim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Hi > > I am taking a look at webmacro now. The examples `HelloWorld' and `GuestBook' appear > to be working, but I am getting a backtrace in `/logs/error_log' > > I cant explain this backtrace. > > > *** BEGIN: 11/

Re: My webmacro examples are working but cant explain backtrace [CANCEL]

2000-11-22 Thread Peter Pilgrim
A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java Servlet API Technology."@java.sun.com> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: My webmacro examples are working but cant explain backtrace Hi I am taking a look at webmacro now. The examples `HelloWorld' and `GuestBook'

My webmacro examples are working but cant explain backtrace

2000-11-22 Thread Peter Pilgrim
Hi I am taking a look at webmacro now. The examples `HelloWorld' and `GuestBook' appear to be working, but I am getting a backtrace in `/logs/error_log' I cant explain this backtrace. *** BEGIN: 11/22/00 12:19 PM *** *** LOG LEVEL SET TO: EXCEPTION 11/22/00 12:19 PM

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-20 Thread Paul Copeland
Another framework to consider is JOT Servlets, a general purpose tool for dynamic web page generation which combines a template page parser with an efficient server-side Beans framework. http://www.jotobjects.com -- Paul Copeland, JOT Object Technologies

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestr

2000-11-19 Thread Tay James
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Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-18 Thread Jason Hunter
(Sorry for the late response, my first posting bounced. I have way too many email addresses.) robert young wrote: > > just out of curiosity, and since neither the O'reilly site, > nor his has any specific information, and he's voiced some > strong approval of WebMacro in t

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-17 Thread Justin Wells
Quoting Peter Pilgrim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I appreciate WebMacro > predates JSP and we will review the frameworks by trying them out. Correction on this: WebMacro does not predate JSP as a whole, it only predates the current incarnation of JSP, and any notion of JSP having a mode

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-17 Thread Jason Hunter
don't want to be programmers script pages. I plan on using Tea for my new Servlets.com site. * WebMacro (webmacro.org) works well for creating "web applications" where templates aren't created as often so you're willing to trade some page protection in exchange for some

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-17 Thread Peter Pilgrim
I hope Jason does into the philosophies in detail. Mind you there is JSP book coming out from O'Reilly, any one seen that book and whether it discuss the issue of frameworks and MVC in general. I pass my spec / proposal to the other guys in my team. I appreciate WebMacro predates JSP and we

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-16 Thread Milt Epstein
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, robert young wrote: > just out of curiosity, and since neither the O'reilly site, > nor his has any specific information, and he's voiced some > strong approval of WebMacro in the past; any notion of > when Jason Hunter's 2nd edtion will be

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-16 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
nt :-). JSP, because it includes custom tags, can easily *support* the same separation of concerns that template environments like WebMacro and Velocity provide. The philosophical difference that Justin and others articulate is whether the developer should be *restricted* to only that approach.

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-16 Thread robert young
just out of curiosity, and since neither the O'reilly site, nor his has any specific information, and he's voiced some strong approval of WebMacro in the past; any notion of when Jason Hunter's 2nd edtion will be available and whether it provides new treatments of WebMacro (and o

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-16 Thread Justin Wells
than that provided by the template solutions, so you wind up being encouraged to do the wrong thing. Most of the template solutions allow you a much cleaner separation of concerns than is possible in JSP. WebMacro in particular expects you to develop all of your program logic in back end JavaBeans, inde

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-16 Thread Michael Nash
Pete: As suggested earlier, perhaps have a look at Expresso at www.javacorporate.com. It's definitely *not* anti-jsp, quite the opposite, it provides many tools for using JSP (or Webmacro, or XML/XSL, etc). Mike > -Original Message- > From: A mailing list for discussio

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-16 Thread Peter Pilgrim
--- Message History From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 15/11/2000 11:35 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry? Hi Has anyone carried out a survey , r

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-15 Thread Justin Wells
Quoting vsr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > If you intend to go ahead with just one of the > frameworks you mentioned, I suggest WebMacro. By the > way WebMacro does not work with JSP but it is a > replacement to JSP. You could make WebMacro work with JSP but I'm not sure why you would

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-15 Thread Adam Rossi
> Has anyone carried out a survey , review, or detailed examination of > these frameworks? > > 1) WebMacro > 2) Jakarta Struts > 3) Tapestry > I had similar questions about a year ago. After creating a persistence and presentation framework for a project, I

Re: Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-15 Thread vsr
Hi, I have been using WebMacro for an year now and also looked at the Jakarta Struts. Tapestry is new to me. All that I can say is you might want to have a look at another wonderfull framework called Turbine of Apache Software Foundation which is an integration of many WebMacro like frameworks

Which is the best framework WebMacro, Struts, or Tapestry?

2000-11-15 Thread Peter Pilgrim
Hi Has anyone carried out a survey , review, or detailed examination of these frameworks? 1) WebMacro 2) Jakarta Struts 3) Tapestry I am interested if they work with Java Server Pages Are they any other that I have missed? -- Peter Pilgrim G.O.A.T &quo

ANNOUNCE: WebMacro 0.94 release

2000-10-12 Thread Justin Wells
WebMacro 0.94 was released today: http://webmacro.org/Download.html WebMacro's creation several years ago put Model/View/Controller servlet programming in the limelight. Now there's a new stable release of WebMacro with some significant improvements. The idea behind WebMac

WebMacro snapshot posted (and new license)

2000-08-27 Thread Justin Wells
I've posted a new snapshot of WebMacro to the website. http://webmacro.org/Download.html This version is available under the Apache license as well as the GPL. NOTE: There is a big change if you are using this in standalone mode. You have to invoke WebMacro with an object cal

Re: WebMacro outside a servlet engine

2000-01-31 Thread Robert Crawford
On Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 01:35:44AM -0800, Tim Panton - Westhawk Ltd wrote: [snip] > I'd like to use a template system, > where the users configure a sample > report, and the application reads > the template, substitutes real values > and spits out a report. > > Has anyone done this ? Are the > tem

Re: WebMacro vs. FreeMarker (was Re: New article: "The Problems with JSP")

2000-01-29 Thread Justin Wells
Quoting Dave Glowacki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > These number obviously aren't exact, but they sure seem to indicate > that FreeMarker pretty consistently takes roughly 2/3rds of the time > needed by WebMacro (I'd love to know what's up with the SmallPage stuff > on 1.3beta

Re: WebMacro vs. FreeMarker (was Re: New article: "The Problems with JSP")

2000-01-29 Thread Dave Glowacki
Justin Wells wrote: > Quoting Dave Glowacki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > I then did some benchmarking and found that FreeMarker is > > at a minimum 5 times faster than WebMacro for their common > > operations. This seems to be due to all the introspection > > that WebMacr

Re: WebMacro outside a servlet engine

2000-01-29 Thread Justin Wells
eport, and the application reads the template, substitutes real values > and spits out a report. > > Has anyone done this ? Are the template systems tied to a servlet engine? In the 0.89.1 release you can do this with WebMacro like this: Template t = new FileTemplate("something.wm&

Re: WebMacro outside a servlet engine

2000-01-29 Thread John Hicks
At 01:35 AM 1/29/00 -0800, Tim Panton - Westhawk Ltd wrote: >I need to produce report files from >a swing app- so there is no web >server in the picture. > >We want the reports to be in >HTML. > >I'd like to use a template system, >where the users configure a sample >report, and the application re

WebMacro outside a servlet engine

2000-01-29 Thread Tim Panton - Westhawk Ltd
I need to produce report files from a swing app- so there is no web server in the picture. We want the reports to be in HTML. I'd like to use a template system, where the users configure a sample report, and the application reads the template, substitutes real values and spits out a report. Has

Re: WebMacro vs. FreeMarker (was Re: New article: "The Problems with JSP")

2000-01-28 Thread Justin Wells
Quoting Robert Crawford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 09:32:08AM -0600, Dave Glowacki wrote: > > I then did some benchmarking and found that FreeMarker is > > at a minimum 5 times faster than WebMacro for their common > > operations. This seems to be due to

Re: WebMacro vs. FreeMarker (was Re: New article: "The Problems with JSP")

2000-01-26 Thread Justin Wells
Quoting Dave Glowacki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I then did some benchmarking and found that FreeMarker is > at a minimum 5 times faster than WebMacro for their common > operations. This seems to be due to all the introspection > that WebMacro must perform. I doubt it's the int

Re: WebMacro vs. FreeMarker (was Re: New article: "The Problems with JSP")

2000-01-26 Thread Robert Crawford
On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 09:32:08AM -0600, Dave Glowacki wrote: > I then did some benchmarking and found that FreeMarker is > at a minimum 5 times faster than WebMacro for their common > operations. This seems to be due to all the introspection > that WebMacro must perform.

WebMacro vs. FreeMarker (was Re: New article: "The Problems withJSP")

2000-01-26 Thread Nic Ferrier
>>> Dave Glowacki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 26-Jan-00 3:32:08 PM >>> >I then did some benchmarking and found that FreeMarker is >at a minimum 5 times faster than WebMacro for their common >operations. This seems to be due to all the introspection >that Web

WebMacro vs. FreeMarker (was Re: New article: "The Problems with JSP")

2000-01-26 Thread Dave Glowacki
Jason Hunter wrote: > Sure, I'm game. WebMacro isn't the only game in town. I did an informal survey a couple of weeks ago and came up with WebMacro and FreeMarker as the two most powerful template engines around. They both have roughly the same features, though WebMacro supports

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-08 Thread Aaron Porter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 6:23 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker > > > Alex Smith wrote: > > Jason Hunter does a fairly good job of introducing the readers to > > the latter two technologies in his book but om

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-05 Thread Ray Tayek
At 03:32 PM 6/3/99 -0700, you wrote: >WebMacro and FreeMarker Users: > >I am in the process of deciding which template package to use in a >project. ... i looked at both and chose webmacro because of the ease of calling java functions from the html. while freemarker looked a lit

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-05 Thread Dennis Sosnoski
se. Nothing stops you, the owner, from granting different > rights to different people. > > I have chosen to grant the entire planet the right to use WebMacro > under the terms of the GNU General Public License--for free. This > GPL is just an ordinary license, and nothing stops me from

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Justin Wells
Freemarker and WebMacro. Caching a > parsed template is a must for a template framework and both Freemarker and > WebMacro do that. However, due to WebMacro's broker architecture, a provider > has to be written whereas no extra effort is required by Freemarker. > > As an aside, I dont se

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Justin Wells
; Justin > > Be it WebMacro or FreeMarker, an average developer like me (trying to be > modest :-) will surely find them quiet useful when developing dynamic web > pages. I guess, the issue that is of concern of is the one that you left out > (I'm not sure if that was intentional) i.

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Justin Wells
Quoting Cezar Totth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Also WebMacro allows you to use standard Java collections such > > as Vector, List, Hashtable, or even just arrays, to store lists > > of objects--other packages generally require you to use their > > own special adapters. >

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Robert A. Crawford
ly under GPL conditions? > Does the "shrink-wrapped" commercial product isnt affected by the GPL > too, as long as it...existed first for WebMacro, no matter what > other new licenses you want to give later. As I understand it, the original developer -- only -- may release the so

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Justin Wells
Quoting Alex Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > had problems with WebMacro's > guestbook example due to the default template provider's functionality of > looking for a template in the classpath. This is actually not correct either. WebMacro looks for templates under the Temp

WebMacro is fast

1999-06-04 Thread Justin Wells
A few people here have noted that WebMacro uses class analysis (reflection/introspection) to extract properties from objects in its template, whereas other systems force you to implement an adapter class for every object you use. The speculation is that as a result, WebMacro is slow. The

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
For the sake of showing the list readers that my comments were not entirely unaccurate: Me: --- 1) Freemarker is template-only package whereas WebMacro tries to go beyond that with the resource broker(s), template providers and other possibly nice but unnecessary (in my case) stuff. I wanted

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Cezar Totth
Hi Justin, On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Justin Wells wrote: > WebMacro doesn't require you to write adapters to access your > data. You can take any object you like and, with no work beyond .. > > Also WebMacro allows you to use standard Java collections such > as Vector,

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Cezar Totth
On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Justin Wells wrote: > Hi Alex, many of your comments about WebMacro were not accurate: > > This is misleading. WebMacro uses the reflection API to analyze your > class exactly once for each class, and then caches that data for the > life of your serv

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Kapoor, Nishikant X
Justin Be it WebMacro or FreeMarker, an average developer like me (trying to be modest :-) will surely find them quiet useful when developing dynamic web pages. I guess, the issue that is of concern of is the one that you left out (I'm not sure if that was intentional) i.e. the license. I&

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Justin Wells
WebMacro doesn't require you to write adapters to access your data. You can take any object you like and, with no work beyond context.put("fred", myCustomer) access all the public data in myCustomer as $fred.Name, $fred.Address, etc. Other packages generally require you t

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Justin Wells
Hi Alex, many of your comments about WebMacro were not accurate: Quoting Alex Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > 1) Freemarker is template-only package whereas WebMacro tries to go beyond > that with the resource broker(s), template providers and other possibly nice > but unnecessary (i

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Brian Zimbelman
Wow, they have a freemarker.org now, that's cool! I just went there and found no requirement for a password. Try again. -Original Message- From: Hee Meng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 11:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Tim Biernat
Alex Smith wrote: > > JSP I rejected right away as something very wrong. Not only the syntax was > unappealing (to say the least) but the idea of mixing Java and HTML in the > same page seemed like someone's Javascript-induced nightmare. To elaborate, > my goal was to have an HTML designer and an

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-04 Thread Tim Sporcic
http://www.gemplus.com Gemplus Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] Séparateur Réponse Objet : Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker Auteur : "A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java S

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-03 Thread Joe Sam Shirah
From: Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 8:46 PM Subject: Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker >Before starting a project (standard e-commerce stuff and multi-tier >architecture), the only piece of the architecture I

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-03 Thread Hee Meng
't give any > specifics about the peformance, but it certainly doesn't seem to be > significantly slow. From what I've read about WebMacro, the basic > features of the two packages are very similar (basic variable > replacement; an "if" construct; list fill-ins, etc.). I

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-03 Thread Jason Hunter
Alex Smith wrote: > Jason Hunter does a fairly good job of introducing the readers to > the latter two technologies in his book but omits the templates, > and that's a shame, IMO, because templates are a correct way to go > for anything but the most simple application. (They're not even > mentione

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-03 Thread Alex Smith
various flavors and "pure" templates (Webmacro, dexios.template aka Freemarker). Other possibilities were generating HTML "by hand" from the servlet using either "straight" (dumb) out.println("<...>") approach, generating HTML using a library (WebLogic's

Re: WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-03 Thread Jim Preston
I have been happily using FreeMarker for a month or so and so far it fits my needs just fine. I haven't stressed it, so I can't give any specifics about the peformance, but it certainly doesn't seem to be significantly slow. From what I've read about WebMacro, the basic

WebMacro versus FreeMarker

1999-06-03 Thread Vanita Browne
WebMacro and FreeMarker Users: I am in the process of deciding which template package to use in a project. It would be wonderful to hear from those that have used either or both packages. Throughout the time I have been subscribing to the list, many suggestions have been made leading users to

[ANN] WebMacro Servlet Framework 0.89.1

1999-05-03 Thread Justin Wells
WebMacro Servlet Framework == Announcing WebMacro 0.89.1: http://www.webmacro.org/ WebMacro is a Java servlet development framework, including a template engine plus extensible component model. It uses Java introspection to make ordinary objects in your

[ANN] WebMacro Servlet Framework 0.85.2

1999-04-27 Thread Justin Wells
WebMacro Servlet Framework == Announcing WebMacro 0.85.2: http://www.webmacro.org/ WebMacro is a Java servlet development framework, including a template engine plus extensible component model. It uses Java introspection to make ordinary objects in your

Re: webmacro

1999-04-24 Thread Justin Wells
as the "Ports Operating > System" and it would be perfectly legal if all the source was freely > available as required by the GPL (note that I would be required to > extend the rights of the GPL to anyone who bought my distribution > too). This is exactly what RedHat, SuSE, and

Re: webmacro

1999-04-24 Thread Thomas Reilly
o). This is exactly what RedHat, SuSE, and Caldera do to make money. > 2. You may NOT put some additional wrapper around WebMacro and ***sell*** > it calling it your own. For this you must share some of your profits with > Justin Wells. Reasonable enough, since he wrote it in the first

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread Brahm van Niekerk
I think much of the misunderstandings here stem from misconceptions about the terms of the GNU license. My understanding might smooth some feathers and since I like the ideas behind WebMacro, I am happy to contribute this bit towards its success. 1. You may use GNU software for commercial use

Re: GPL/GNU (was webmacro license)

1999-04-22 Thread Inderjeet Singh
s much to do with WebMacro, but it is > good exposure for the GPL, GNU project, Free Software Foundation, > and so forth--WebMacro is under the GNU license. > > Quoting Inderjeet Singh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > Hi Justin, > > > > I have a (stupid) question: >

GPL/GNU (was webmacro license)

1999-04-22 Thread Justin Wells
Well this thread no longer has much to do with WebMacro, but it is good exposure for the GPL, GNU project, Free Software Foundation, and so forth--WebMacro is under the GNU license. Quoting Inderjeet Singh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Hi Justin, > > I have a (stupid) question: > > O

Re: webmacro license

1999-04-22 Thread Glen Stampoultzis
rereleased as GPL. -- Glen Inderjeet Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 23/04/99 09:29:18 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Glen Stampoultzis/ITD/MEL/Ansett/AU) Subject: webmacro license Justin Wells wrote: > I am a big supporter of the FSF appr

webmacro license

1999-04-22 Thread Inderjeet Singh
Justin Wells wrote: > I am a big supporter of the FSF approach, and one of those people > who think ESR's approach is a retreat. > > If someone wants to use WebMacro outside the GPL--they can license > it from me like a commercial product, in effect paying for the > devel

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread Eorgoff, Michael
Title: RE: webmacro Scenario: I'm planning on creating an HTML configuration and status interface to a commercial product that is not sold as a web server.  If I use Webmacro to cut down on my development workload, then I need to ship Webmacro for runtime support with the product.  Web

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread Justin Wells
ase your software under the LGPL... And release under GPL if you can. Only if your library duplicates a non-free library should you go LGPL. Since WebMacro does something no other package does, the correct license is GPL. I am a big supporter of the FSF approach, and one of those people who think

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread Justin Wells
if I'm under contract to a government organization to develop an > application that the government will own and take control of when I > deliver it? > > Can I still use webmacro? > > -rob > > ___ &g

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread rob sanders
Not to beat a dead horse, but what about developing government owned software? What if I'm under contract to a government organization to develop an application that the government will own and take control of when I deliver it? Can I still use webmacro?

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread jon *
Here is my final remark on this topic: Justin, I offer to pay you $0.01 (US) in order to purchase webmacro from you that is released under the LGPL. Take it or leave it. I'm tired of arguing with you about your product.

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread jon *
> The FSF discourages new software from being placed under LGPL: > >http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/why-not-lgpl.html No they don't. What is says is that you should take into consideration what it means to release your software under the LGPL... I quote: > The choice of license makes a big dif

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread Justin Wells
for distributing something you created under GPL. Once and for all: The GPL never requires you to do anything; only restricts the way you distribute when or if YOU CHOOSE to do thay. If someone can show me that there is any reason why WebMacro can't be used to build commercial and corp

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread Justin Wells
Quoting Robb Shecter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Justin Wells wrote: > > > You can use webMacro on a corporate or commercial or any other kind > > of site. You can build applications based on WebMacro and transfer > > copyright to them to someone else. In both cases you c

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread Formanek Gary L
I also need more clarification - particularly - "You can build applications based on WebMacro and transfer copyright to them to someone else.". I don't want to use software or libraries which require me to distribute "my" source, binary or otherwise to others. I have no

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread Glen Stampoultzis
>> If you modify the original LGPL'd code >> however you have to distribute your changes. > >source or binary? The source but not the source code to your whole app. Just the source to the library (or whatever) that was LGPL'd. This address explains things much better than I can: http://www.gnu.

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread Robb Shecter
Justin Wells wrote: > You can use webMacro on a corporate or commercial or any other kind > of site. You can build applications based on WebMacro and transfer > copyright to them to someone else. In both cases you can keep your > sources proprietary, and do not need to contact anyone

Re: webmacro

1999-04-22 Thread Niall Smart
Justin Wells wrote: > > Quoting Jason Hunter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > > Justin, > > > > I don't want this to spark a long thread, but I would like some > > clarification. Can I, without contacting anyone, use WebMacro as part > > of a corporate

Re: webmacro

1999-04-21 Thread Gabriel Wong
Glen Stampoultzis wrote: > If you modify the original LGPL'd code > however you have to distribute your changes. source or binary? Gabriel Wong http://www.ezwebtools.com - ___ To unsubscribe, send ema

Re: webmacro

1999-04-21 Thread Justin Wells
Quoting Jason Hunter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Justin, > > I don't want this to spark a long thread, but I would like some > clarification. Can I, without contacting anyone, use WebMacro as part > of a corporate web site, keeping all the source to the site's content

Re: webmacro

1999-04-21 Thread Glen Stampoultzis
:45:11 Please respond to "A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java Servlet API Technology." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Glen Stampoultzis/ITD/MEL/Ansett/AU) Subject: Re: webmacro > it is hardly fair t

Re: webmacro

1999-04-21 Thread Jason Hunter
> it is hardly fair to say that > WebMacro cannot be put to commercial use. Justin, I don't want this to spark a long thread, but I would like some clarification. Can I, without contacting anyone, use WebMacro as part of a corporate web site, keeping all the source to the sit

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