RE: ShopTalk: Residual Bend N plane - Steel Shafts

2003-10-13 Thread Alan Brooks
Hi guys, I did feel compelled to snip. I believe that shafts are drawn hot and it is probably the residual stresses due to the heating and cooling and the large amounts of strain associated with the drawing process that leaves residual stresses in the shaft and these are what produce the resid

RE: ShopTalk: Residual Bend N plane - Steel Shafts

2003-10-13 Thread Alan Brooks
Hi all, I wanted to clarify something before it propagates too far.  The American Iron and Steel Institute (AISI) classifies carbon steels with a four digit number.  The format is XXNN.  The XX is the grade of steel.  The NN is the percent of carbon in hundredths.  I.E. 1010 carbon steel is grade

RE: ShopTalk: Residual Bend N plane - Steel Shafts

2003-10-13 Thread Dave Tutelman
At 11:43 AM 10/13/03 -0600, Tom Wishon wrote: RK: What you say is true and it is interesting. I remember when I was able to spend a fair amount of time on the production floor with Apollo a number of years ago, we were talking about seamless vs welded tubing. Their engineers confided that while th

RE: ShopTalk: Residual Bend N plane - Steel Shafts

2003-10-13 Thread Dave Tutelman
Y'all know that I disagree more with Lloyd and Richard than everybody else on ShopTalk combined. That said, I find myself agreeing with each of them more often than disagreeing. But this exchange proves that a big difference is that Lloyd knows how to disagree about a technical detail without g

RE: ShopTalk: Residual Bend N plane - Steel Shafts

2003-10-13 Thread Richard Kennedy
  RK Lloyd, I do not know how I got this post from you as I have you an my ignore list but I have and can safely say that after a full year of not reading your crap that you are still full of crap.   Since it's called "LOW CARBON", 1008 to 1010, means that it does not contain very much carbon

Re: ShopTalk: Residual Bend N plane - Steel Shafts

2003-10-13 Thread Arniesclubs
In a message dated 10/13/03 7:25:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ALL, the easiest way to check out on just how much carbon is in the steel, grind some of it on your bench grinder.   If the sparkles are a lot and stay near the grinding wheel it has a very high carbon, but if

RE: ShopTalk: Residual Bend N plane - Steel Shafts

2003-10-13 Thread Lloyd Hackman
The modulus of elasticity for the low carbon steel and higher carbon steel is basically the same. It is the yield stress that is significantly different and would have no affect on frequency differences. The only thing left is out of round and a material thickness difference at the weld that wo

RE: ShopTalk: Residual Bend N plane - Steel Shafts

2003-10-13 Thread Tom Wishon
RK: What you say is true and it is interesting. I remember when I was able to spend a fair amount of time on the production floor with Apollo a number of years ago, we were talking about seamless vs welded tubing. Their engineers confided that while they were glad that the market at that time

RE: ShopTalk: Residual Bend N plane - Steel Shafts

2003-10-13 Thread Richard Kennedy
Tom / All, As being a retired Manufacturing Engineer from Ford Motor and having seen the "BUTT" welding process that you are talking about I would like to add my $0.02 worth into the mix.   Yes as you have stated that during the "BUTT" welding process there is no way that any foreign particle

RE: ShopTalk: Residual Bend N plane - Steel Shafts

2003-10-13 Thread Tom Wishon
Dave et al: I''ll throw my 2 cents worth in on this and offer the premise that what you are seeing in the difference of the steel shafts vs graphite is explained by the two different manufacturing processes. Steel shafts are almost all made from steel sheet material that is coiled and high frequen