Re: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread DADUGALLY
In a message dated 10/12/2004 2:16:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David   The ball matches the club head of No. 1 the best. If you can get the natural frequency of the ball to be the same as the natural frequency of the face you will get the best smash No.. It is the tram

Re: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread DADUGALLY
In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:41:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 02:19 AM 10/14/04 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >For the acceleration data I believe Pat may be on to something. >If you can imagine the acceleration curve as an upside down v and pick a >clubhead speed

Re: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread DADUGALLY
In a message dated 10/14/2004 2:38:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave, >Impact is very short. It is about a half a millisecond, or 1/2000 sec. Edgerton's photos show total duration of ball contact with the clubhead, using a 100 compression Spalding Dot golf ball, was .00

RE: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Alan Brooks
Since this discussion has gotten to a fairly high level, remember that momentum is a vector quantity that must be conserved before and after impact. Since the club face is angled (loft) and the ball comes off the face at some launch angle, and we assume that the original velocity of the club h

Re: ShopTalk: TM R5 40 Reshaft

2004-10-14 Thread DADUGALLY
In a message dated 10/14/2004 6:04:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A customer just brought me his  taylor made   R5 40 8.5 loft  with  a broken  shaft TM R5 S flex MAS 2 70  low torque tip soft . he wants it reshafting but NOT with the same shaft which he said he ''hated'

Re: ShopTalk: TM R5 40 Reshaft

2004-10-14 Thread Pat-On Target Golf
Jeremy, It must be TM week. I just sent this to Keith from an earlier post. I have a customer that has a shaft in his possession that I pulled from his R7, it's a M.A.S.2 7-65 S Low Torq Tip Firm. The readings beforeI pulled this shaft were--45" 254CPM 323.7gr. D4 3.8* .350" tip R7 Quad 10.5*.

RE: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread maxs
All: An interesting discussion about the physics of collisions. I believe this is not well understood by most people. Just a bit of my background so you know some of my credentials. I am presently completely my PhD in atmospheric physics so I hope I have at least at fundamental grasp of physics :)

Re: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Al Taylor
RK, Well there wizz bang, I want you to know that I just returned from your favorite place, the Golfsmith GCA Conference. I also want you to know that I won the long drive contest for those folks over the age of 60. What did you ask? I forgot already. Al At 03:11 PM 10/14/2004, you wrote: Al

Re: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Bernie Baymiller
Dave, > Impact is very short. It is about a half a millisecond, or 1/2000 sec. Edgerton's photos show total duration of ball contact with the clubhead, using a 100 compression Spalding Dot golf ball, was .0004 seconds. Compression was .0002 seconds and decompression was .0002 seconds. Is impact

Re: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread llits30
  Bernie: how is your new Kidney doing? Hope you are getting along with it in prime shape. HStill -- Original message -- > Pat and all, > > You lost me on the math, but I can read graphs pretty well. Back in the late > 1930s, Spalding had Edgerton of MIT and a couple others

Re: ShopTalk: long drive even longer discussion!

2004-10-14 Thread Dave Tutelman
At 04:21 PM 10/14/04 -0400, Jeremy Ingle wrote: Wow ! my physics is limited to archimedes Whose principle I still use to check the volume of clubheads. but If i could apply half your expertrtise to my golf game shooting my age would not be a problem. Don't bet on it! Knowing how is only part

Re: ShopTalk: long drive even longer discussion!

2004-10-14 Thread Jeremy Ingle
Wow ! my physics is limited to archimedes Whose principle I still use to check the volume of clubheads. but If i could apply half your expertrtise to my golf game shooting my age would not be a problem. Dave Tutelman wrote: Tedd, you're right on again, for all your points. At 11:08 AM 10/

Re: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread BBIRDNYPD
Dave: We met here.  I corresponded with you privately when I first discovered this spot. I agree that some commentators and teaching pros are misinformed or repeating old, disproven theories. FYI:  A year or so ago, this spot was having another math discussion.  My son had made a remark about

Re: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Rchard w kennedy
Al. A long drive to you is from the local bar nearest your house to your home when your DRUNK!! Question for you Al, are you still not living at home or has your wife stopped sending you jokes via E-Mail? RK - Original Message - From: "Al Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Dave Tutelman
Tedd, you're right on again, for all your points. At 11:08 AM 10/14/04 -0400, Childers, Tedd A wrote: What you are saying makes sense to me intuitively, but it can only affect the impact for the very brief time of the collision (measured in thousandths of a second probably). If the clubhead is sti

RE: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Al Taylor
Where do the various laws of physics decide what the head speed at collision is? If the ball stays on the club face for milli or micro seconds, and the head actually increases speed during impact, then you have a head speed at impact and a different one at departure. Which one does physics ch

Re: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Bernie Baymiller
Pat and all, You lost me on the math, but I can read graphs pretty well. Back in the late 1930s, Spalding had Edgerton of MIT and a couple others of his staff do a lot of ultra high speed photography of Bobby Jones' and Jimmy Thompson's swings (Jimmy was the longest hitting pro at that time) as we

Re: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Lloyd Hackman
Dave Yes I think David was talking about the speed curve not the acceleration curve. I do tend to agree with Davids thought however because the transfere of energy occurs over time , even thought it is a very short time. The velocity changes during this time period because of impact. If the club h

RE: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Childers, Tedd A
Pat, What you are saying makes sense to me intuitively, but it can only affect the impact for the very brief time of the collision (measured in thousandths of a second probably). If the clubhead is still accelerating at the beginning of the impact (vs. decelerating and/or constant), then it follo

RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Dave Tutelman
At 09:45 AM 10/14/04 -0400, Childers, Tedd A wrote: I'm no physics expert, but I believe that the collision between a golf ball and a clubhead is represented by the conservation of momentum equation (M1V1=M2V2, in a perfect collision with no loss of energy), which is based on mass and velocity,

Re: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread kellcats
Just to reinterate - conservation of momentum applies to an isolated system, where no external force is appled to either object in the collision. If the USGA air cannon fires a ball at a fixed driver's face, conservation of momentum applies. If you're increasing the force applied to the clubhe

Re: RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread kellcats
You're correct, if you assume that the force applied to the ball is not changing. There are many tour pros whose smash factors don't fit the equations - pundits will say their clubs fail COR, but the data for many pros is similar to David D.'s. The equations don't work, and we know that they h

RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Childers, Tedd A
Pat,   I'm no physics expert, but I believe that the collision between a golf ball and a clubhead is represented by the conservation of momentum equation (M1V1=M2V2, in a perfect collision with no loss of energy), which is based on mass and velocity, not acceleration.  Of course the collisio

Re: ShopTalk: TM R5 40 Reshaft

2004-10-14 Thread jhm
Jeremy: I've got a MFS75-350 X1 (orange) from Apache/Mcc that's got his name on it. The design of the TM head does seem to encourage a high trajectory, I get a lot of complaints/reshafts because of it. Price is $62 for the MFS75-350. John Muir clubmaker-online.com shoptalk A customer just brought

RE: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread The Kelley's
David, You're welcome to follow both Dave T and Lloyd, both of whom 'know' so much about the golf swing  The folks on tour have been measuring acceleration for many years, but according to Dave T (and hid 'bible' on the golf swing that many modern experts on this game threw in the trash

ShopTalk: TM R5 40 Reshaft

2004-10-14 Thread Jeremy Ingle
A customer just brought me his taylor made R5 40 8.5 loft with a broken shaft TM R5 S flex MAS 2 70 low torque tip soft . he wants it reshafting but NOT with the same shaft which he said he ''hated'' when I asked why? he said he didn't- really know but thought it was the soft. tip. He wa

Re: ShopTalk: long drive

2004-10-14 Thread Dave Tutelman
At 02:19 AM 10/14/04 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the acceleration data I believe Pat may be on to something. If you can imagine the acceleration curve as an upside down v and pick a clubhead speed such as 100 mph and imagine it at the peak of the V, and if you can further imagine that at