Re: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles

2006-04-24 Thread tflan
60° 5 iron.   TFlan - Original Message - From: Alan Brooks To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles Then let me rephrase the question.  If you had to pick a lie angle for

Re: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles

2006-04-24 Thread Alan Brooks
Then let me rephrase the question.  If you had to pick a lie angle for your club heads to come with that would be most likely to require the least amount of bending to fit the most golfers, what would it be? Alan At 08:22 AM 4/24/2006 -0700, you wrote: The problem here is with the use of the word

Re: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles

2006-04-24 Thread tom . matteucci
You ar absolutely right T-flan.  By my statement I was just stating that the majority of people I fit fall within the category I described. This is a general staement without considering all the parameters involved. --TCM GOLF [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Original message from Tom <[EMAIL

Re: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles

2006-04-24 Thread Tom
The problem here is with the use of the word "average". What is it? Does it even exist? Average height? Average arm length? Average set-up to the ball? Which? I've fitted tall guys with 59 deg lies and short guys with 63 deg lies. I used to play with a pro who was 6'7" tall. He played black do

Re: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles

2006-04-24 Thread tom . matteucci
If you work off the "mdern standard of 60 degree lie regardless of loft.  I would think the average golfer would need 1 to 2 degree degree upright or 61-62 degree lie.  With a 5 iron club length of 38".   In additoin the average golfer should use a putter at a length of 34" not the so called

Re: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles

2006-04-23 Thread Tom
Well, you have to start somewhere. 5 irons used to be "standard" 30/60. 30 deg loft, 60 deg lie. Now it's still about 60 deg lie, but about 27 deg loft as a result of peripheral weighting. Suppose you're a mfr. What would you choose for "standards". "Average" golfer? There isn't one. TFlan

Re: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles

2006-04-23 Thread Alan Brooks
You guys who do a lot of fitting - what 5-iron lie fits the 'average' golfer?  Recognizing, of course, that lie is an individual thing and may vary significantly golfer to golfer.  What seems to be where you end up fitting most golfers? Greg, personally, I anchor my irons around a 5-iron lie of 6

RE: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles

2006-04-23 Thread Greg Zachmann
.comSubject: RE: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles I suspect that they are trying to make lighter shafts which most likely corresponds to a softer shaft. As the shaft gets softer the basic lie should be more upright to compensate for the greater toe done deflection of the soft

RE: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles

2006-04-23 Thread Lloyd Hackman
I have seen the new wood shafts are getting softer then shafts a couple of years ago.   llhack     - Original Message - From: Greg Zachmann To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Sent: 4/23/2006 8:22:47 PM Subject: ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles I was cruising some oem web sites

ShopTalk: Professional Opinions on OEM lie angles

2006-04-23 Thread Greg Zachmann
Title: Message I was cruising some oem web sites and noticed Mizuno seems to have a broader range of lie angle on their muscle back blades than on most of their cavity back selection. Titleist has apparently decided upright is better with their 5 iron set at 62 deg. Cleveland's lies are the