Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-06-02 Thread Sandra Murphy
The adoption call has ended. The consensus is clearly, strongly, that the working group thinks this is an important area that the working group needs to address. A significant fraction of the responses indicated that discussing the problem should be the initial focus of the wg, before the

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-05-09 Thread Karen Seo
I'm not yet convinced that the operational costs justify the potential weakening of security. So I do not support adoption of the document as is. I would like to see it split into 2 drafts -- one describing the problem(s) (perhaps including the aspects Rob has mentioned) with an analysis of

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-05-09 Thread Matthew Lepinski
I think that Rob makes an excellent point. I have no problem with making this draft the focal point of discussions about changing RPKI path validation. Indeed, I greatly appreciate the effort that Geoff and George have put into articulating the operational concern with RFCs 3779 and 6487. There

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-05-04 Thread Tom Harrison
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:05:14PM -0400, Sandra Murphy wrote: The authors of draft-huston-rpki-validation-01.txt, RPKI Validation Reconsidered, have requested wg adoption. See http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-huston-rpki-validation-01. Please do respond to the list as to whether you

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-30 Thread Byron Ellacott
I do support this draft, I am willing to review. Thanks, Byron On 26/04/2014 2:05 am, Sandra Murphy sa...@tislabs.com wrote: The authors of draft-huston-rpki-validation-01.txt, RPKI Validation Reconsidered, have requested wg adoption. See

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-29 Thread Mark Kosters
+1 Mark From: George Michaelson g...@algebras.orgmailto:g...@algebras.org Date: Monday, April 28, 2014 at 8:11 PM To: sidr@ietf.orgmailto:sidr@ietf.org sidr@ietf.orgmailto:sidr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01 I would like to see the WG discuss

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-29 Thread Tim Bruijnzeels
Hi, I read the draft and I support adoption. I think this addresses a real problem both in the transfer case described in the document, and in fragility wrt unintended changes in the hierarchical RPKI. This could be considered bad CA ops, but even then I think the impact on the children

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-29 Thread Sofía Silva Berenguer
I support the adoption of this draft. Kind regards, Ing. Sofía Silva Berenguer Senior SSR Engineer PGP Key ID: 0xAAD4EB5F LACNIC - www.lacnic.net Latin American and Caribbean Internet Address Registry Rambla República de México 6125 Montevideo - Uruguay +598 2604 ext 4408 El 25/04/14

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-29 Thread Sriram, Kotikalapudi
[mailto:sidr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Murphy Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 12:05 PM To: sidr@ietf.org Cc: Sandra Murphy Subject: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01 The authors of draft-huston-rpki-validation-01.txt, RPKI Validation Reconsidered, have requested wg adoption

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-29 Thread Carlos M. Martinez
I support adoption of this draft and I second all of Andy's comments. I do believe that we need to be tolerant in the operation of the CA's as we move forward in adoption of origin validation in routers. Cheers! ~Carlos On 4/28/14, 5:14 PM, Andy Newton wrote: I support the adoption of this

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-29 Thread Rob Austein
Unfortunately, the binary adopt-or-not question is insufficiently nuanced for a case like this. I think the WG needs a work item to explore the issue of decoupling RFC-3779-style[*] path validation from certificate validation. It may be that at the end of that process we will decide not to

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-29 Thread Terry Manderson
I think there is a discussion here that needs to occur. I'm not convinced that this document is the complete embodiment of that which should be adopted or it's the sole answer to the problem space. However I do share the concerns that in the growing complexity of RPKI certificate structures any

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-28 Thread Andy Newton
I support the adoption of this draft, as it makes the operations of a CA less problematic. I also 100% disagree with Randy’s view that it adds complexity. To the contrary, it lessens complexity, aids flexibility and decreases fragility. -andy On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Randy Bush

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-28 Thread George Michaelson
I would like to see the WG discuss validation. I think there are inherent risks in the current model, which could be avoided if we had a more nuanced understanding of the validity of any given resource under consideration. So as a co-author of this draft its hardly surprising I support adoption,

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-28 Thread Geoff Huston
Obviously, I also support this call for adoption, for the reasons George has outlined here. Geoff On 29 Apr 2014, at 10:11 am, George Michaelson g...@algebras.org wrote: I would like to see the WG discuss validation. I think there are inherent risks in the current model, which could be

[sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-25 Thread Sandra Murphy
The authors of draft-huston-rpki-validation-01.txt, RPKI Validation Reconsidered, have requested wg adoption. See http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-huston-rpki-validation-01. Please do respond to the list as to whether you support the wg adopting this as a work item. You do not need to comment

Re: [sidr] WG adoption poll for draft-huston-rpki-validation-01

2014-04-25 Thread Randy Bush
i really hate to side with dr kent :) i am unsure of this is a useful work item. please explain how it is other than a complex (i.e. dangerous) patch to accommodate sloppy operational praactices by a CA. make the protocol complex and you are vulnerable forever. sloppy CA ops practices can