Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 09:46:59PM +0530, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > A lot of lists like this may not be relevant to countries and cultures > other > > than the one in which the author lives. > > True enough. They may not even be releva

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Kragen Javier Sitaker
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 12:50:39AM -0500, Venkat Inumella wrote: > I'd say that many characterizations of individual decisions as irrational > are precisely a result of narrowly defined utility functions. Saying that > the rational decision in buying shoes should be based just on ROI as you > calcu

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Venkat Inumella
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > > > > > People make consumption decisions to maximize utility, not a > > hypothetical ROI, > > People make consumption decisions irrationally, not to maximize a hypothetical > utility. Any number of experiments in behavioral economic

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
the rain drives people into closer contact. and you have rainwater with pollutants (which'd cause allergies) and which serves as an extra carrying medium for a sneeze or cough. Even old wives tales have some basis in fact, most of the time Kragen Javier Sitaker [09/09/11 01:27 -0400]: On Thu, S

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Kragen Javier Sitaker
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 09:59:13PM -0700, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Kragen Javier Sitaker [09/09/11 00:51 -0400]: > >A beans-and-rice diet is pretty healthy, and whatever its deficiencies might > >be, raising your cholesterol isn't among them! > > Brown rice certainly not. I was thinking of

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Kragen Javier Sitaker
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 09:46:59PM +0530, Deepa Mohan wrote: > A lot of lists like this may not be relevant to countries and cultures other > than the one in which the author lives. True enough. They may not even be relevant to other people in the same country; the guy I passed this afternoon on

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Kragen Javier Sitaker [09/09/11 00:51 -0400]: A beans-and-rice diet is pretty healthy, and whatever its deficiencies might be, raising your cholesterol isn't among them! Brown rice certainly not. I was thinking of white "polished" rice * The role of body cooling in causing the common cold is

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Kragen Javier Sitaker
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 08:50:43PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > 6. Yes you can cook cheap (beans and rice with hot sauce) or you can cook > cordon bleu gourmet with imported cuts of meat and spend a fortune on sous > vide vacuum sealers and temperature controlled cookers if you think you'

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Kragen Javier Sitaker
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 01:52:13AM +0200, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > > Stripped out one additional layer of forwards. > > > > - Forwarded message from Kragen Javier Sitaker > > - > > Thread drift time: what's the role of consumeri

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Kragen Javier Sitaker
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 01:04:41PM -0500, Venkat Inumella wrote: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Kragen Javier Sitaker > wrote: > > To compete with a 3% ROI from other possible investments of your capital, a > > US$239 investment needs to earn or save you US$7 per year, even assuming > > that

[silk] A Tribe of One

2011-09-08 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On 09-Sep-11 5:22 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > http://cheeni.posterous.com/whats-the-role-of-consumerism-in-the-modern-w > > No doubt your eagle eyes will find any logical flaws, but also ask me > a bunch of questions, and tell me where I'm wrong. I, too, have a bunch of mostly uncoooked thou

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
The perfect words here. ROI being higher by a few dollars, tops, with the utility to you being far lower leaves you at a dead loss. Venkat Inumella [08/09/11 13:04 -0500]: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: To compete with a 3% ROI from other possible investments

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > Stripped out one additional layer of forwards. > > - Forwarded message from Kragen Javier Sitaker > - Thread drift time: what's the role of consumerism in the modern world? Among other motivations, in minor part instigated by this

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Venkat Inumella
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > > > To compete with a 3% ROI from other possible investments of your capital, a > US$239 investment needs to earn or save you US$7 per year, even assuming that People make consumption decisions to maximize utility, not a hypothetical

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Kragen Javier Sitaker
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 08:50:43PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Bah Heh! > 1. Opportunity cost = the cost of fixing whatever shit it was yourself > instead of paying someone to fix it for you, and getting on with whatever you > do that puts food on your table. [leave alone whatever tin

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
To put it mildly – man evolved centuries, even millennia ago from the state kragen praises to the state he is in now. That evolution took place the moment man stopped killing animals for their skin to wear and their meat to eat, and professions like “tailor” and “butcher” evolved. ___

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian > wrote: > > Bah >> > > Short response: wow, you're grumpy today. > > Slightly longer response: how much of your "bah, humbug" reaction would > change if Kragen's note was repositioned

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
I’d still call bullshit. Community development of that sort requires macroeconomics rather than microeconomics and micromanagement. You’d consume less just because there’s less to go around and if a resource is shared it will either get hoarded or shared out depending on how good the commun

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Nishant Shah
> Please, spare us the ridiculosity of these > conspicuous-consumers-turning-to-conspicuous-simplicity lists. I totally > agree with SRS' "bah". I would add, like Enid Blyton's P.C. Goon."Gah". > > Deepa. > +1 for the lovely word 'ridiculosity' - I am going to borrow it and use copiously. As fo

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Bah > Short response: wow, you're grumpy today. Slightly longer response: how much of your "bah, humbug" reaction would change if Kragen's note was repositioned as a means to achieve a resilient community [1]? Udhay [1] http://globa

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Deepa Mohan
> > > From: Kragen Javier Sitaker > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 05:33:35 -0400 > To: kragen-...@canonical.org > Subject: some notes on frugality > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) A lot of lists like this may not be relevant to countries and cultures other than the one in which the author lives.

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Bah 1. Opportunity cost = the cost of fixing whatever shit it was yourself instead of paying someone to fix it for you, and getting on with whatever you do that puts food on your table. [leave alone whatever tinkering and fixing you do in your spare time - a lot of which goes to reading mailin

[silk] some notes on frugality

2011-09-08 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Stripped out one additional layer of forwards. - Forwarded message from Kragen Javier Sitaker - From: Kragen Javier Sitaker Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 05:33:35 -0400 To: kragen-...@canonical.org Subject: some notes on frugality User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) * Repairing things yoursel