Re: [silk] silklist Digest, Vol 45, Issue 9

2013-08-20 Thread Shoba Narayan
I can't make it on Saturday August 31st. This Saturday works for me. Sent from my iPhone On 20-Aug-2013, at 10:17 AM, silklist-requ...@lists.hserus.net wrote: Send silklist mailing list submissions to silklist@lists.hserus.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

Re: [silk] silklist Digest, Vol 45, Issue 9

2013-08-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
It's on Friday 30th, not Saturday 31st.

Re: [silk] silklist Digest, Vol 45, Issue 9

2013-08-20 Thread Bonobashi
Oh, great. Very well timed, Sir. VERY well timed. Indrajit Gupta On Aug 20, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: It's on Friday 30th, not Saturday 31st.

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Deepak Misra
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: I cannot remember seeing this thread in Silk when it first happened. I stumbled upon this corpse when I was searching for something else. That said, I had a followup question. What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Deepak Misra
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: Current confirmed attendees: Rashmi Naresh Andy Deemer (+1?) Udhay Others? -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com)) I would love to, so maybe Deepak

[silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Biju Chacko
http://www.livemint.com/Industry/DxwH4TNGtKS58r7npgjnnO/Valerie-Wagoner-Tapping-the-missedcall-trade.html Interesting. If anyone knows her, please invite her to Silklist. :-) -- b

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread thewall
I might swing by. I believe top-posting would have solved this little problem. Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Biju Chacko biju.cha...@gmail.com Sender: silklist silklist-bounces+thewall=gmail@lists.hserus.netDate: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:16:59 To:

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Mark Bergen
http://www.livemint.com/Industry/DxwH4TNGtKS58r7npgjnnO/Valerie-Wagoner-Tapping-the-missedcall-trade.html Interesting. Yeah, but the author's a pos. Don't invite him. (Happy to make intros or send invite.)

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
I think the answer to that is too late, he's already here Now, intro, please? Nice to see you here and you're not the first Mint columnist to turn up here so welcome, and whatever you do beyond writing that very enjoyable article :) --srs (iPad) On 20-Aug-2013, at 15:08, Mark Bergen

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Biju Chacko
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Mark Bergen mberg...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.livemint.com/Industry/DxwH4TNGtKS58r7npgjnnO/Valerie-Wagoner-Tapping-the-missedcall-trade.html Yeah, but the author's a pos. Don't invite him. Quite clearly a bit of a git. Unfortunately, that gets trumped by my

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Mark Bergen mberg...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.livemint.com/Industry/DxwH4TNGtKS58r7npgjnnO/Valerie-Wagoner-Tapping-the-missedcall-trade.html Interesting. I have heard of Zipdial before and the idea/business is definitely interesting. I felt the

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra yahoogro...@deepakmisra.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life hacker or a GTD-focused tip-sharing mailing list? Is they in the same genre? Or a different one?Are

Re: [silk] Fwd: [costiima] Rajeev Srinivasan on how Indians are satisfied with illusions, not reality.

2013-08-20 Thread Thaths
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: We still follow socialistic policies when they have failed the world over. Really? Have they now? That the Nordic Model is failed must come as a surprise to the Scandinavians. Thaths -- Homer: Hey, what does this job

Re: [silk] Fwd: [costiima] Rajeev Srinivasan on how Indians are satisfied with illusions, not reality.

2013-08-20 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
On 20 August 2013 18:55, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: We still follow socialistic policies when they have failed the world over. Really? Have they now? That the Nordic Model is failed must come as a surprise to

Re: [silk] Fwd: [costiima] Rajeev Srinivasan on how Indians are satisfied with illusions, not reality.

2013-08-20 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: We still follow socialistic policies when they have failed the world over. Really? Have they now? That the Nordic Model is failed must come as a

Re: [silk] Question for Entrepreneurs/ Product Owners / Investors / Consultants

2013-08-20 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:02 AM, rashmi v rashm...@gmail.com wrote: What is / has been your toughest marketing challenge as an Entrepreneurs/ Product Owners ? I am neither. Should I unsubscribe? Thaths -- Homer: Hey, what does this job pay? Carl: Nuthin'. Homer: D'oh! Carl: Unless you're

Re: [silk] Question for Entrepreneurs/ Product Owners / Investors / Consultants

2013-08-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:32 PM, rashmi v rashm...@gmail.com wrote: What is / has been your toughest marketing challenge as an Entrepreneurs/ Product Owners ? In my experience, finding that first story about yourself and your offering to tell. All else flows from that. Udhay -- ((Udhay

[silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Groklaw has decided to shut shop. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/02152224249/more-nsa-spying-fallout-groklaw-shutting-down.shtml A rather melancholy take, from elsewhere: And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet is over. Thoughts? Udhay -- ((Udhay

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:20:24PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet is over. Thoughts? Darknets. What we cypherpunks have been saying last two decades.

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet is over. Thoughts? Darknets. What we cypherpunks have been saying last two decades. I have two main thoughts around this. 1. Sousveillance [1]

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Venkat Mangudi - Silk
On Aug 20, 2013 9:36 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: 2. A brilliant quote from silklister Heather Madrone captures my thoughts. From memory, Save your dial-up modems. We can restart the internet right under their feet. So I go back and relearn Morse code?

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: Groklaw has decided to shut shop. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/02152224249/more-nsa-spying-fallout-groklaw-shutting-down.shtml A rather melancholy take, from elsewhere: And it's only the beginning. I

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:36:47PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet is over. Thoughts? Darknets. What we cypherpunks have been saying last two

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote: 2. A brilliant quote from silklister Heather Madrone captures my thoughts. From memory, Save your dial-up modems. We can restart the internet right under their feet. So I go back and relearn Morse

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:39:36PM +0530, Venkat Mangudi - Silk wrote: So I go back and relearn Morse code? I'm actually going to get a ham license. You can probably think why.

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:56:56PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: No, it merely means (in my understanding) that you can redo a peer to peer net with this technology. It doesn't even need to be taken literally - witness the comment about darknets made upthread. If you don't own the signalling

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread SS
On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 21:20 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: Groklaw has decided to shut shop. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/02152224249/more-nsa-spying-fallout-groklaw-shutting-down.shtml Here's a quote from the above link: The people talked about how it stopped them from being

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Vandana Abraham
I'm in! - Vandana On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: On 10-Aug-13 11:47 AM, rashmi v wrote: This weekend might be short notice for most people. I was thinking of Saturday August 31st. Current schedule appears to be Friday Aug 30th, at the same venue as

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Vandana Abraham vand...@julysystems.comwrote: I'm in! - Vandana Would you still be willing to help cook? :) Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Vandana Abraham
Yep - will do a shift at the griller, and will bring marinated chicken. Will we have a final count by thursday? On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Vandana Abraham vand...@julysystems.comwrote: I'm in! - Vandana Would

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Dave Long
Save your dial-up modems. We can restart the internet right under their feet. A fine sentiment, but it's trivial to distinguish modem traffic from voice. Steganets (none of you has ever seen a dead donkey) might be a little less obvious than darknets (and the normally abysmal S/N ratio

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Amitha Singh
hokay, under duress, I'm in +1 Sent from my Windows Phone From: Vandana Abraham Sent: 20-08-2013 22:09 To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] Meet up. I'm in! - Vandana On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: On 10-Aug-13 11:47 AM, rashmi v wrote:

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Mark Bergen
I have heard of Zipdial before and the idea/business is definitely interesting. I felt the article was way too much gaga that it should have been considering the business has been around for a while. That's a fair criticism. It could have gone much deeper on the vulnerabilities and questioned

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Consolidating responses onlist and offlist. Show of hands from those who haven't responded yet please. On 19-Aug-13 6:21 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: Current confirmed attendees: Rashmi Naresh Andy Deemer (+1?) Udhay Amitha Singh Vandana Abraham Meera K Maybe: Chandrachoodan Venkat Mangudi

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Shades of if you aren't doing anything wrong, why do you object? in your response. I'll revisit this later. On 20-Aug-13 10:06 PM, SS wrote: My late mother grew up in her father's house with 4 siblings and 15 odd cousins. Privacy was non existent and this makes people grow up in a peculiar

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Deepak Misra
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra you asking about the efficacy of say GTD or a mailing list dealing with GTD? I was asking if GTD can be considered self help. Thaths GTD would be found in the self help section

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Sriram Karra
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra yahoogro...@deepakmisra.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life hacker or a GTD-focused

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread SS
On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 07:47 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: Shades of if you aren't doing anything wrong, why do you object? in your response. I'll revisit this later. Yes, but I will explain below. First let me respond to this quote its currency in a society. The Haunted Land, a book that

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Bonobashi
No right to privacy yet, anywhere, but it has been argued in India that it exists. The leagles would know, surely. Indrajit Gupta On Aug 21, 2013, at 9:22 AM, SS cybers...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 07:47 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: Shades of if you aren't doing anything wrong,

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Vinay Rao
Current confirmed attendees: Rashmi Naresh Andy Deemer (+1?) Udhay Amitha Singh Vandana Abraham Meera K +1 Vinay Rao Maybe: Chandrachoodan Venkat Mangudi Deepak Misra Lahar Appaiah Shoba Narayan Saritha Rai Sunil Abraham Vinay

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Thaths
On Aug 20, 2013 8:48 PM, Sriram Karra karra@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra yahoogro...@deepakmisra.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: What do

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: The above strongly indicates your question is really something else. If not why do you care one way or the other? So, Thaths, what is your *real* question? I don't understand. Can you elaborate? Sounds like Karra is

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Mahesh Murthy
On 20 Aug 2013 15:21, Biju Chacko biju.cha...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, that gets trumped by my firm belief that the entire editorial staff of Mint should be on Silk. Not Suku the editor surely :)

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: Also another thing that stuck out of the article was 87 broad patents. Will be interesting to know what they are. Among other things, wouldn't inassignee:Zipdial Mobile Solutions Pvt. Ltd. allow you to get a fair idea

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
The US bill of rights - which is the bedrock of all these constitutional protections, applies to US citizens. So .. I am not sure if this discussion isn't entirely moot. --srs (iPad) On 21-Aug-2013, at 9:22, SS cybers...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 07:47 +0530, Udhay Shankar N

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: Also another thing that stuck out of the article was 87 broad patents. Will be interesting to know what they are.