Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-11-21 Thread Charles Haynes
I disagree a little with his description of a mocha. IME a proper mocha is Steamed Milk/Unsweetened hot chocolate/Espresso in 1:1:1 proportion. He also left off latte macchiato, but that's nearly unknown outside of Italy (and pretty obscure even there). -- Charles

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-11-21 Thread Charles Haynes
I used to drink breves all the time for breakfast. Ah sweet memories. -- Charles On Nov 22, 2007 10:51 AM, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A follow-up: > > http://www.lokeshdhakar.com/2007/09/04/coffee-diagram-follow-up/ > > With a printable PDF and an vector image file... > > > On Sep 3

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-11-21 Thread Gautam John
A follow-up: http://www.lokeshdhakar.com/2007/09/04/coffee-diagram-follow-up/ With a printable PDF and an vector image file... On Sep 3, 2007 11:47 AM, Abhijit Menon-Sen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 2007-09-03 11:37:42 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > They're getting the best of both g

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-09-02 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-09-03 11:37:42 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > They're getting the best of both gene pools. That doesn't make sense. They get whatever is in both gene pools, good or bad. Besides, there isn't a "look good" gene. > It does seem to me, then, that the old war cry of racists verywhere >

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-09-02 Thread Biju Chacko
On 9/1/07, ashok _ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/31/07, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote: > > i just got back from 10 days in ethiopia, where coffee was first > > discovered and where the beans grow wild. ethiopian coffee is really > > good, although i suspect this is more due to the initial preparatio

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-09-01 Thread ashok _
On 8/31/07, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote: > i just got back from 10 days in ethiopia, where coffee was first > discovered and where the beans grow wild. ethiopian coffee is really > good, although i suspect this is more due to the initial preparation > (good beans, , carefully and often freshly roasted

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-31 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
i just got back from 10 days in ethiopia, where coffee was first discovered and where the beans grow wild. ethiopian coffee is really good, although i suspect this is more due to the initial preparation (good beans, , carefully and often freshly roasted, always freshly ground) than the brewing meth

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-30 Thread shiv sastry
On Thursday 30 Aug 2007 10:03 am, Deepa Mohan wrote: > coffee (or chicory or whatever!) is piping hot, and doesn't cool off > like the large cupfuls do; and the caffeine is in such small doses Earthenware drink-ware (clay/ceramic mugs or glasses) tend to hold warmth much longer - a fact that mad

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-29 Thread Deepa Mohan
I have been following this coffee thread, and I would like to make a "small" point...I am probably unusual, but I do enjoy the very small, thimbly sizes that coffee is served in, at our local Darshinis. The coffee (or chicory or whatever!) is piping hot, and doesn't cool off like the large cupfuls

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-29 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 28 Aug 2007 5:54 pm, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: > My folks still prefer the chicory version, that's all they've had all > their lives. I really wouldn't be able to convince them to try a > darker, bitter coffee. To each his own. Actually Chicory is not a South Indian additive. "Pure" co

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-28 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
I agree with the points you make, and no, not all South Indian Coffee is chicory laden. However, most variations of South Indian coffee contain chicory. Chicory was introduced into South Indian Coffee because real coffee beans were very expensive, and chicory was an acceptable substitute. It's poss

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-28 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 28 Aug 2007 3:24 pm, Gautam John wrote: > My own three-item checklist for a good cup of coffee: not burnt > or bitter; syrupy consistency; layer of coffee foam at least 2mm > thick. Ages ago when I was newly married and living in England - my wife and I got into the car one day in the

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-28 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
And that, coming just after Charles' little talk makes me look like a total fool. Which, if you consider my goal, is perfectly according to plan. C On 28/08/07, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One of the things I did, when getting my coffee powder is blend the > Peab

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-28 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
One of the things I did, when getting my coffee powder is blend the Peaberry and Plantation A differently. (The old tam-bram way was half-half of both, with a little chicory) About 65% Peaberry in a kilo of coffee-powder gives you a more aromatic coffee. My dad didn't like it, though. Kept insistin

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-28 Thread Charles Haynes
On 8/28/07, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A few thoughts, from an off-list friend, on the coffee discussion thus far. > > He's quite sold on the coffee (and the pizza) in Napoli. Something to do > with the water and the volcanos and some such. > _ > > Yes, a few. > >

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-28 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 28 Aug 2007 3:29 pm, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan wrote: > Talking of decoction - on one of my trips to Tanjavur/Kumbakkonan, I was > offered coffee (they called it Kaapi-thani) by a villager. It was just the > decoction bit of the south Indian filter. No sugar, no milk. Along with > th

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-28 Thread Gautam John
On 8/28/07, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Talking of decoction I assume decoction coffee has a higher caffeine content vis-a-vis an espresso? We used to make a concoction of coffee decoction, instant coffee granules and sugar to stay awake in college. It tasted like c

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-28 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
Talking of decoction - on one of my trips to Tanjavur/Kumbakkonan, I was offered coffee (they called it Kaapi-thani) by a villager. It was just the decoction bit of the south Indian filter. No sugar, no milk. Along with this, a lump of jaggery to lick at, in case I needed to sweeten my drink. It w

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-28 Thread Gautam John
A few thoughts, from an off-list friend, on the coffee discussion thus far. He's quite sold on the coffee (and the pizza) in Napoli. Something to do with the water and the volcanos and some such. _ Yes, a few. 1) I don't put a lot of emphasis on the beans. Of course you do ne

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-28 Thread Ramakrishna Reddy
On 8/27/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I currently use Kalmane's "Mysore nuggets" which is delivered home when I call > and ask. +1 , I kinda found it pretty strong . I used to like Kothas Coffee, not sure if you are getting the kinda beans they used to supply a few years back --

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Aditya Kapil
It's also about the buzz. I don't worry to much about the drug-delivery system as long as it's not downright foul. A good south Indian filter coffee cuppa to me is unique and fantastic in it's own right. As is Java, blah, blah.. Adit. On 8/28/07, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Biju Chacko
On 8/28/07, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chicory laden south Indian coffee is not gourmet coffee by a long > shot. Too sweet and too milky, I mostly swore off that stuff a long > while ago. It was probably as good as it got for me when all I had for I think we've already establi

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 28 Aug 2007 12:40 am, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: > Chicory laden south Indian coffee Not all South Indian coffee is "chicory laden". The effect achieved by "one's just like another" chain outlets is to kill variation in favor of promoting brand names that taste like mud. Like someone

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:40:50AM +0530, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: > I grew up in the hills, where I used to harvest coffee beans from our > home garden and help out in getting them dried, roasted and brewed. > Now that was exciting, but I am not sure if it ever could be termed > gourmet coffee.

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On 8/27/07, Biju Chacko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/27/07, Sriram Karra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/27/07, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > What do you reckon is the best coffee chain in Bangalore/India. Or > > > > Hotel Saravana Bhavan might not be as hep, cool, or ro

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread ashok _
On 8/27/07, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan wrote: > Talking of coffee shops in Madras, I'll vouch for Amethyst. They brew good > stuff there. > > C there is also this idli-dosa joint in raja annamalai puram (its part of some bigger chainforgot the name), they make very good kumbakonam "degree

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Venkat Mangudi
shiv sastry wrote: > I currently use Kalmane's "Mysore nuggets" which is delivered home when I > call > and ask. Nice choice... Very good coffee...

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Thaths
On 8/26/07, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you reckon is the best coffee chain in Bangalore/India. Or > perhaps even the best stand alone coffee bar in Bangalore? Those street corner kaapi kadai, of course! Thaths -- Homer: He has all the money in the world, but there's one thi

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 27 Aug 2007 7:49 pm, Venkat Mangudi wrote: > A good filter coffee is hard to come by these days... Have you tried any > of the fresh roasted and ground coffees from Kalmane? I currently use Kalmane's "Mysore nuggets" which is delivered home when I call and ask. shiv

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Venkat Mangudi
shiv sastry wrote: > I believe that I can make Mysooru coffee that tastes a lot better than any of > the coffees illustrated in that link and does not have an unpronounceable > foreign name. A good filter coffee is hard to come by these days... Have you tried any of the fresh roasted and ground

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Charles Haynes wrote: > Oops! Sorry. At my place is only my super-automatic. The cappucino I > make is actually at work when I can convince the helpers not to > helpfully pre-grind a hopper full of coffee. I've finally got the So I guess I will have to meet you "officially"... ;) > tweakish like

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Charles Haynes
On 8/27/07, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles Haynes wrote: > > > > So Venky, this is a throw down. Where do you think you can get a good > > espresso in Bangalore. I'll meet you there. > > That's Venki, not Venky. And I think that the best espresso is probably > at your place and

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread shiv sastry
I believe that I can make Mysooru coffee that tastes a lot better than any of the coffees illustrated in that link and does not have an unpronounceable foreign name. shiv On Monday 27 Aug 2007 10:48 am, Venkat Mangudi wrote: > http://www.lokeshdhakar.com/2007/08/20/an-illustrated-coffee-guide/

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Gautam John
On 8/27/07, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While on the subject of coffee, I thought I'd share this wonderful method of making iced coffee. It's a very smooth and non-bitter brew. Quite different from the hot brewed stuff. http://technically.us/eat/x/cold-brewed-iced-co

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
Cups & Saucer has weird furniture. Much too small. Or, well, I'm much too big. Talking of coffee shops in Madras, I'll vouch for Amethyst. They brew good stuff there. C On 27/08/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I agree w

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree with the former statement. But Kalmane coffee's "Bluegrass" by the cup rocks... Their Nelyani is just Bluegrass with Elaichi powder. But please avoid the outlet in Innovative multiplex. Oxford Bookshop in Madras (haddows road) has a surprisin

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On 8/27/07, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's Venki, not Venky. y the y ? & ! the i ? -- Vinayak

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Amit Varma wrote: >> Were these those red and gold/silver machines with a prominent spout >> on one side? I remember seeing them at movie theaters, many moons ago, >> but cannot recall the brand/trade names of those machines. >> > > Can't remember brand name, but I do remember the spout. Suitably

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Charles Haynes wrote: > > So Venky, this is a throw down. Where do you think you can get a good > espresso in Bangalore. I'll meet you there. That's Venki, not Venky. And I think that the best espresso is probably at your place and I will meet you there before you become a non-resident. :-) My s

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Biju Chacko wrote: > > I have to admit there isn't much to beat a good South Indian filter > coffee. This may get me excommunicated but I also think that, in > general, you get better coffee in Madras than Bangalore. > I agree with the former statement. But Kalmane coffee's "Bluegrass" by the cu

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
Yup. But that should be no surprise, no? C On 27/08/07, Biju Chacko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/27/07, Sriram Karra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/27/07, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > What do you reckon is the best coffee chain in Bangalore/India. Or > > > > Hotel

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Biju Chacko
On 8/27/07, Sriram Karra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/27/07, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What do you reckon is the best coffee chain in Bangalore/India. Or > > Hotel Saravana Bhavan might not be as hep, cool, or rocking as the > coffee shops mentiond in this thread. However, i

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Amit Varma
> > Were these those red and gold/silver machines with a prominent spout > on one side? I remember seeing them at movie theaters, many moons ago, > but cannot recall the brand/trade names of those machines. > Can't remember brand name, but I do remember the spout. Suitably phallic, given the horri

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Gautam John
On 8/27/07, Amit Varma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I remember when I was a kid, which is also when many of you were kids, the > 'espresso' we'd get out of machines in India would be this terrible, milky > contraption. Were these those red and gold/silver machines with a prominent spout on one si

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-27 Thread Amit Varma
I remember when I was a kid, which is also when many of you were kids, the 'espresso' we'd get out of machines in India would be this terrible, milky contraption. And I remember a scene at a Barista around the time when it opened when someone ordered an espresso and was most upset that there was no

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-26 Thread Charles Haynes
On 8/27/07, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.lokeshdhakar.com/2007/08/20/an-illustrated-coffee-guide/ > > I wish all the baristas in the cafes in the US educated themselves at > least minimally from this site. It might not be a gourmet coffee > drinker's definitions, but surel

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-26 Thread Gautam John
On 8/27/07, Sriram Karra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hotel Saravana Bhavan I'm partial to Airlines myself. But only in the mornings.

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-26 Thread Sriram Karra
On 8/27/07, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you reckon is the best coffee chain in Bangalore/India. Or Hotel Saravana Bhavan might not be as hep, cool, or rocking as the coffee shops mentiond in this thread. However, if the objective is to seek out a place which knows the most ef

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-26 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan wrote [at 11:02 AM 8/27/2007] : I'll second Gautam. Cafes in Bangalore and Chennai like to state the obvious. "Double shot espresso, saar? It's only black coffee saar..." "Sir, Espresso will be a little bitter saar..." I'm willing to give them the benefit of the

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-26 Thread Madhu Menon
Gautam John wrote: Including the ones who warn you that an espresso is black coffee? And the ones who use tepid milk? My pet peeves. Gautam, I was in Delhi last week for my brother's wedding and happened to drop into a Barista outlet to grab a coffee. And when I ordered a cappuccino, I was a

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-26 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
I'll second Gautam. Cafes in Bangalore and Chennai like to state the obvious. "Double shot espresso, saar? It's only black coffee saar..." "Sir, Espresso will be a little bitter saar..." C On 27/08/07, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/27/07, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: [silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-26 Thread Gautam John
On 8/27/07, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I have so far been impressed with the baristas in the cafes in Bangalore. Most of them know >how to prepare a good latte or cappucino. Including the ones who warn you that an espresso is black coffee? And the ones who use tepid milk? My pet p

[silk] Illustrated Coffee Guide

2007-08-26 Thread Venkat Mangudi
http://www.lokeshdhakar.com/2007/08/20/an-illustrated-coffee-guide/ I wish all the baristas in the cafes in the US educated themselves at least minimally from this site. It might not be a gourmet coffee drinker's definitions, but surely better than what most of the baristas dole out. Many of them