Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-06 Thread Shenoy N
On 6 February 2014 09:16, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.com wrote: Not handy, but for some reason Jared Diamond comes to mind, and maybe Bill Bryson. This list http://www.waldeneffect.org/blog/History_of_agriculture_book_list/mentions both. -- Charles This thread made me think (the

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-06 Thread gabin kattukaran
On 6 February 2014 20:07, Shenoy N sheno...@gmail.com wrote: Money is one of the biggest sources of unhappiness, as far as I can see, if not the single biggest one As televangelists across the world will tell you with extended hands, money is not the problem. It is love for money. Also, I'm

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-06 Thread Shoba Narayan
especially the parts where they explain exactly the question about why people would make that transition when it actually reduced how happy they were. Perhaps because happiness is intangible and hard to measure. I am hugely skeptical of the self-reported model of measuring happiness,

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-05 Thread Biju Chacko
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: Most educated people today earn enough by 35 to live simple but comfortable rural lives for the rest of their lives. Not a lifestyle unlike what their ancestors lived three generations ago. I think people should grow

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-05 Thread Charles Haynes
Or you could hypothesize that farming became popular for some reason other than the happiness of the farmers. -- Charles

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-05 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On 05-Feb-14 5:57 PM, Charles Haynes wrote: Or you could hypothesize that farming became popular for some reason other than the happiness of the farmers. Indeed. My initial gut feel was to talk about population pressure being the root cause for this too, but it appears to be a much more

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-05 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/9647/origins-of-agriculture Replying to myself as I ran across something (entirely serendipitously) that was begging to be included in this discussion.

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-05 Thread Venkat Mangudi - Silk
On Feb 5, 2014 6:29 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/9647/origins-of-agriculture Replying to myself as I ran across something (entirely serendipitously) that was

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-05 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.com wrote: Or you could hypothesize that farming became popular for some reason other than the happiness of the farmers. As I said, this segue is IMHO mostly meaningless, we can only hypothesize, we can't prove a thing. It's

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-05 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Biju Chacko biju.cha...@gmail.com wrote: Yearning for a mythical rural idyll is just a way to whine without trying to make a change in the real world. Don't even get me started on the selfish self indulgence of exploring inner selves. I think this debate is very

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-05 Thread Charles Haynes
Actually there's quite a lot of information about the transition from hunter-gatherer to pastoral/agrarian. Besides the Encyclopedia Brittanica article Udhay cited, there are both scholarly and popular writings on the subject. I find them fascinating, especially the parts where they explain

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-05 Thread Venkat Mangudi - Silk
On Feb 6, 2014 9:01 AM, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.com wrote: Actually there's quite a lot of information about the transition from hunter-gatherer to pastoral/agrarian. Besides the Encyclopedia Brittanica article Udhay cited, there are both scholarly and popular writings on the

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-05 Thread Charles Haynes
Not handy, but for some reason Jared Diamond comes to mind, and maybe Bill Bryson. This list http://www.waldeneffect.org/blog/History_of_agriculture_book_list/ mentions both. -- Charles On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote: On Feb 6, 2014 9:01

[silk] The march of technology

2014-02-04 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
Bayer CEO: We made medicine for people who can afford it, not Indians I don't think vilification serves any purpose. On the one hand, Bayer makes life saving drugs, very good; but on the other hand it intends to only sell it only to the rich; not so good. Historically speaking this has been

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-04 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
I must clarify that the intent here is not to criticize. CEOs and politicians are intelligent people making difficult choices - they are speaking the minds of the people they represent. I think in the long run the morality of corporations or nations or any collective tends to represent the

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-04 Thread Charles Haynes
A look at population numbers would say yes. But then quality of life indicators - and not just material quality, but indicators that take into account mental illness, loneliness, depression and so on give a very mixed reading. By most metrics, hunter-gatherers are the happiest. So I blame

Re: [silk] The march of technology

2014-02-04 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Feb 5, 2014 3:09 AM, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.com wrote: A look at population numbers would say yes. But then quality of life indicators - and not just material quality, but indicators that take into account mental illness, loneliness, depression and so on give a very mixed