Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-30 Thread Cory Smelosky
On Fri, 1 May 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote: Of course, the curious mind, especially in the light of where this thread started, then wonders if not the UDA-50 would be possible to use on a KS...? H. Interesting question! I would ASSUME not as a boot device, but possibly with some

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-30 Thread Cory Smelosky
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015, Rich Alderson wrote: Multi-unit structures. Striping came along with redundant arrays of inexpensive disks. At $50,000 a drive, RP07s were not candidates. ;-) Heh, definitely not. ;) Getting a file system working was about 6 months of last year. Long talks with

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-30 Thread Timothe Litt
On 30-Apr-15 18:21, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm wrote: On Apr 30, 2015 1:46 PM, Clem Cole cl...@ccc.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Rich Alderson s...@alderson.users.panix.com wrote: Striping came along with redundant arrays of inexpensive disks. At $50,000 a drive,

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-29 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Phil Budne p...@ultimate.com Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 23:12:57 -0400 Rich Alderson s...@alderson.users.panix.com wrote: On 27-Apr-15 14:56, Cory Smelosky wrote: ...This is getting absurd. Just how many stacks exist?! BBN had a TENEX stack. Not sure if DEC's started with it. I think

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-29 Thread Cory Smelosky
On Wed, 29 Apr 2015, Rich Alderson wrote: I suppose you're thinking of the Data Disc terminals, which connected to the system through a giant disk (a Librascope, if I have my facts straight). The system wrote on the disk, the terminal displayed that content, keyboard wrote on the disk, system

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Timothe Litt
On 27-Apr-15 14:56, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Mon, 27 Apr 2015, Timothe Litt wrote: One clue: iprout.mac references an IP address owned by the Royal Institute of Technology in Sweden. ...This is getting absurd. Just how many stacks exist?! That I know of? For IP? DEC had a TOPS-20 TCP/IP

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Johnny Eriksson
Johnny Billquist b...@softjar.se wrote: Just as a clarification/expansion... KICKI was/is a KI-10 (sometimes 1, sometimes 2, and sometimes 3 cpus) running in Stockholm many years ago. It is owned by Peter Lothberg, and members of the Stacken Computer Club had accounts on the machine.

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Cory Smelosky
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015, Rhialto wrote: TOPS-20 on klh has TCP (and hence IP) in the Panda distribution. I improved klh to use tap/bridge devices (much like currently present in simh). Too bad there is nobody maintaining simh to integrate my patches officially. They seem to not work on 3.16:

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Anders Magnusson
Rhialto skrev den 2015-04-27 20:43: On Mon 27 Apr 2015 at 14:27:22 -0400, Timothe Litt wrote: Trying to port TCP utilities to the -10 would be non-trivial. Somewhere there IS a C compiler for the -10. But 36-bit words; 6, 7, 8 9 bit chars; location 0 being a valid AC address and a few

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-04-27 22:22, Johnny Eriksson wrote: Johnny Billquist b...@softjar.se wrote: Just as a clarification/expansion... KICKI was/is a KI-10 (sometimes 1, sometimes 2, and sometimes 3 cpus) running in Stockholm many years ago. It is owned by Peter Lothberg, and members of the Stacken

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Johnny Eriksson
Timothe Litt l...@ieee.org wrote: Then there's the stack just posted - it is clearly incomplete. Yes, it is incomplete, mostly due to severe lack of time. It's also not up and running at the moment, something that should be fixed. It is, however, complete enough to do: * UDP, with a TFTP

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Cory Smelosky
[I wrote] I have all of the Stanford patches for that sitting on a Panda install, interestingly enough. I also have something lsited as an MIT and BBN monitor. 5-1-EXEC.DIRECTORY.1 5-3-MONITOR.DIRECTORY.1 5-GALAXY.DIRECTORY.1 6-1.DIRECTORY.1 6-1-EXEC.DIRECTORY.1

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Phil Budne
Rich Alderson s...@alderson.users.panix.com wrote: On 27-Apr-15 14:56, Cory Smelosky wrote: ...This is getting absurd. Just how many stacks exist?! BBN had a TENEX stack. Not sure if DEC's started with it. No. Funny, I was going to say yes. ISTR the user interface was awful (didn't use

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Phil Budne
I have some files laying around from 2011: phil@phil-laptop:~/tops-10-deuna$ ls -l total 152 -rw-r--r-- 1 phil phil 1608 Mar 23 2011 arplst.mac -rw-r--r-- 1 phil phil 14372 Mar 23 2011 arpser.mac -rw-r--r-- 1 phil phil 3726 Mar 23 2011 comdev.dif -rw-r--r-- 1 phil phil

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Cory Smelosky
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015, Phil Budne wrote: But no indication of where they came from (who wrote them). I've dropped them in ftp://ftp.ultimate.com/pdp10/tops-10-deuna/ ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/pdp10/tops10/mon/ I've seen the (Don Provan?) TOPS-10 TCP/IP stack among TOPS-10 7.x sources

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Rhialto
On Mon 27 Apr 2015 at 14:27:22 -0400, Timothe Litt wrote: Trying to port TCP utilities to the -10 would be non-trivial. Somewhere there IS a C compiler for the -10. But 36-bit words; 6, 7, 8 9 bit chars; location 0 being a valid AC address and a few other endearing attributes of the -10

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Timothe Litt
I took a quick glance at some of the files. That's definitely not DEC code. And it's not the UNASER.MAC that I started/referenced. It's some 3rd party. Note that it uses customer CALLI numbers (negative). It appears to be TCP support (or a partial attempt) - there is no DECnet support It's

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Timothe Litt
On 27-Apr-15 14:43, Rhialto wrote: On Mon 27 Apr 2015 at 14:27:22 -0400, Timothe Litt wrote: Trying to port TCP utilities to the -10 would be non-trivial. Somewhere there IS a C compiler for the -10. But 36-bit words; 6, 7, 8 9 bit chars; location 0 being a valid AC address and a few

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Cory Smelosky
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015, Timothe Litt wrote: One clue: iprout.mac references an IP address owned by the Royal Institute of Technology in Sweden. ...This is getting absurd. Just how many stacks exist?! I don't have time to dig into it any further. This communication may not represent my

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: PDP-10 simulation: DEUNA support help needed

2015-04-27 Thread Timothe Litt
On 27-Apr-15 11:36, Hittner, David T (IS) wrote: I do agree that 10/20 networking would be a desirable goal. We did have the KMC/DUP working in SimH for both the -10 and -20 a couple of years ago - there were some loose ends between the KMC emulation and the DUP emulator that were open when I