Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-26 Thread Samantha Atkins
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Thomas McCabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Samantha Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thomas McCabe wrote: > > > Popularity is irrelevant. > > Popularity, of course, is not the ultimate judge of accuracy. But are > you seriousl

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-26 Thread Richard Loosemore
Thomas, The argument I presented is *not* a restatement of Rice's theorem, because the concept of the size of a scientific theory is not something that maps onto the parallel concept of the size of a functions, algorithm or program. In order to map theory-size onto algorithm-size it would b

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-26 Thread Thomas McCabe
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Samantha Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas McCabe wrote: > > > > > Does NASA have a coherent response to the moon hoax theory? > > > This is completely uncalled for. No particular theory of AGI at this time > disserves to be compared to the moon hoax cons

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-24 Thread Samantha Atkins
Thomas McCabe wrote: On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas McCabe wrote: On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You repeatedly insinuate, in your comments above, that the idea is not taken seriously by anyone, in spite of the fact I

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread stolzy
I request to be admitted to the proposed list for purely journalistic and cultural observation reasons. My background in AI is limited to some expert systems work in the late 80's and also three years of work with a linguistic start-up working on the problem of natural language "Machine Transla

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread Richard Loosemore
Thomas McCabe wrote: On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas McCabe wrote: On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You repeatedly insinuate, in your comments above, that the idea is not taken seriously by anyone, in spite of the fact I have already m

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread Thomas McCabe
On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas McCabe wrote: > > > On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > You repeatedly insinuate, in your comments above, that the idea is not > > > taken seriously by anyone, in spite of the fact I have already made

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread Richard Loosemore
Thomas McCabe wrote: On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You repeatedly insinuate, in your comments above, that the idea is not taken seriously by anyone, in spite of the fact I have already made it quite clear that this is false. The burden of proof is on you to show th

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread Thomas McCabe
On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You repeatedly insinuate, in your comments above, that the idea is not > taken seriously by anyone, in spite of the fact I have already made it quite > clear that this is false. > > > > Richard Loosemore > > ---

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread Richard Loosemore
Thomas McCabe wrote: On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas McCabe wrote: On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Such a discussion list would be just another exclusive club for people dedicated to spineless Yudkowsky-worship. Richard Loosemore

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread Thomas McCabe
On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas McCabe wrote: > > > On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Such a discussion list would be just another exclusive club for people > > > dedicated to spineless Yudkowsky-worship. > > > > > > Richard Loose

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread Richard Loosemore
Thomas McCabe wrote: On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Such a discussion list would be just another exclusive club for people dedicated to spineless Yudkowsky-worship. Richard Loosemore Eli's not a member of fai-logistics, and I don't think he even knows about it yet

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread Thomas McCabe
On 4/18/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Such a discussion list would be just another exclusive club for people > dedicated to spineless Yudkowsky-worship. > > Richard Loosemore > > --- > singularity > Archives: http://www.listbox.com/m

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread Richard Loosemore
Rolf Nelson wrote: what is this distinction you are making between "logistics" and "direct solutions"? Especially given that there is much debate about how to implement friendliness. By logistics, I mean trying to get talented and motivated people working on the problem in ways that match thei

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread Rolf Nelson
> what is this distinction you are making between "logistics" and "direct > solutions"? Especially given that there is much debate about how to > implement friendliness. By logistics, I mean trying to get talented and motivated people working on the problem in ways that match their skills. > An

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-18 Thread Richard Loosemore
Rolf Nelson wrote: Announcement: "fai-logistics" is a new archived discussion group to discuss the most effective ways of aiding the development of Friendly AI. It is not a discussion group for any other aspects of AGI. Membership criteria: You must be serious about working towards ensuring that

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-17 Thread Thomas McCabe
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Thomas McCabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would be very much interested in joining your list. For the record, > I am a longtime contributor to the SL4, Singularity, Lifeboat > Foundation and wta-talk mailing lists, a donor to both SIAI and LF, > and I writ

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-17 Thread Thomas McCabe
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Rolf Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Announcement: "fai-logistics" is a new archived discussion group to > discuss the most effective ways of aiding the development of Friendly > AI. It is not a discussion group for any other aspects of AGI. > > Membership c

Re: [singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-17 Thread Nick Hay
Hi Rolf, I'm interested. We talked briefly, and I've worked with SIAI and Eliezer previously. I would state my pre-Singularity purpose is to help solve the FAI implementation problem. At the moment I am trying to understand AI (with questions of Friendliness never far from my mind), starting a

[singularity] New list announcement: fai-logistics

2008-04-17 Thread Rolf Nelson
Announcement: "fai-logistics" is a new archived discussion group to discuss the most effective ways of aiding the development of Friendly AI. It is not a discussion group for any other aspects of AGI. Membership criteria: You must be serious about working towards ensuring that the Friendliness pro