Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party CallControl)

2009-01-28 Thread Ivar Lumi
Hi, >Correct. It is entirely possible to do 3pcc without INVITE. However, >the phone must support out of dialog REFER. This poses a security risk >which can be mitigated by authentication of the REFER. I don't see why REFER can't do following. *) Target phone gets REFER and rings *) Phone displa

Re: [Sip-implementors] C Timer and Invite expire header

2009-01-28 Thread Maxim Sobolev
Prevedini Paolo wrote: > Hi all, > > What is the difference between the expire header value in the INVITE > message and C timer Af far as I know Timer C should be used by SIP proxy, while Expire header is intended for the final UAS to notify it about time constrains. I don't think those two a

Re: [Sip-implementors] Communication between SIP and Web Services

2009-01-28 Thread Somesh S. Shanbhag
I think you can look at ParlayX web services which can be used with SIP Somesh * Please donot take the print out of this e-mail unless its absolutely necessary * -Original Message- From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.e

Re: [Sip-implementors] C Timer and Invite expire header

2009-01-28 Thread Rockson Li (zhengyli)
I do NOT think you need handle expires header in provisional resp, The meaning of expires header is not well-defined. And RFC3261 does not say you need update C timer based on expires header. In sec 20.19, it just say The expiration time in an INVITE does not affect the duration of the actual s

[Sip-implementors] Communication between SIP and Web Services

2009-01-28 Thread xvelasco
Hello... Does anybody know about works or projects where is studied and/or developed the communication between SIP and XML technologies found in Web Services? I'm working in this area, especifically in the applicaction layer of IMS, and I would like to know if you have any knowledge about it. T

Re: [Sip-implementors] Is RFC 2833 a MUST in sending DTMF?

2009-01-28 Thread Dale Worley
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 12:08 +, Attila Sipos wrote: > there is one disadvantage to RFC 4733. > They have removed the hookflash (Flash) notification. That seems very strange, given how common it is to use Flash as a signaling trigger. Dale ___ Sip-i

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party CallControl)

2009-01-28 Thread Brett Tate
> 2009/1/28 Iñaki Baz Castillo : > > Hi, that's not necessary at all as it's already documented > > in the same RFC 3515 (REFER method): > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3515#section-4.1 > > And it's also fully explained and documented in RFC 5359 > "Session Initiation Protocol Service Exa

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third PartyCallControl)

2009-01-28 Thread M. Ranganathan
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Avasarala Ranjit-A20990 wrote: > So based on this, now which would be the recommended approach for realizing a > Click2Dial application? Using a B2BUA (3PCC) as explained in 3725 or the > refer example in 5359? > > Depends upon whether the endpoint supports RE

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party CallControl)

2009-01-28 Thread M. Ranganathan
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > 2009/1/28 Iñaki Baz Castillo : >> Hi, that's not necessary at all as it's already documented in the same >> RFC 3515 (REFER method): >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3515#section-4.1 > > And it's also fully explained and documented

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third PartyCallControl)

2009-01-28 Thread Avasarala Ranjit-A20990
So based on this, now which would be the recommended approach for realizing a Click2Dial application? Using a B2BUA (3PCC) as explained in 3725 or the refer example in 5359? Regards Ranjit -Original Message- From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:sip-implementor

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party CallControl)

2009-01-28 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2009/1/28 Iñaki Baz Castillo : > Hi, that's not necessary at all as it's already documented in the same > RFC 3515 (REFER method): > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3515#section-4.1 And it's also fully explained and documented in RFC 5359 "Session Initiation Protocol Service Examples": http://

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party CallControl)

2009-01-28 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2009/1/28 Brett Tate : >> So is there any plan to revise the RFC 3725 based on REFER? > > RFC 3725 indicates the following: > "This document serves as a best current practice for implementing third party > call control without usage of any extensions specifically designed for that > purpose." > >

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party CallControl)

2009-01-28 Thread Brett Tate
> So is there any plan to revise the RFC 3725 based on REFER? RFC 3725 indicates the following: "This document serves as a best current practice for implementing third party call control without usage of any extensions specifically designed for that purpose." Because of the above text, I doubt

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party CallControl)

2009-01-28 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2009/1/28 Avasarala Ranjit-A20990 : > So is there any plan to revise the RFC 3725 based on REFER? Sincerely I don't think so. However what I mean is that RFC 3725 is not needed is we use REFER initial-request (the problem is that common phones don't allow REFER initial-request). -- Iñaki Baz Ca

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party CallControl)

2009-01-28 Thread Avasarala Ranjit-A20990
So is there any plan to revise the RFC 3725 based on REFER? thanks Regards Ranjit -Original Message- From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Victor Pascual Ávila Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:53 P

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party Call Control)

2009-01-28 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2009/1/28 Iñaki Baz Castillo : >> We chose not using the REFER basically 'cause, at that moment, REFER >> was not implemented in many UAs. However, the 72% of the UAs tested >> during the last SIPit implemented the REFER method. > > IMHO if a UA doesn't support REFER method you can drop it. If we w

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party Call Control)

2009-01-28 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2009/1/28 Victor Pascual Ávila : >> - The web server generates an INVITE which arrives to Alice's phone and so... > > The B2BUA generates the initial invite (no SDP) towards Alice; Alice > sends a 200 OK (SDP1) > The B2BUA generates an invite (SDP1) towards Bob; Bob sends a 200 OK > (SDP2); B2BUA

[Sip-implementors] C Timer and Invite expire header

2009-01-28 Thread Prevedini Paolo
Hi all, What is the difference between the expire header value in the INVITE message and C timer? In an early media session, should an UAC refresh the expire header value after receiving a provisional response (i.e. 183 Session Progress)? Thanks a lot, Paolo Internet Email Confidentiali

Re: [Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party Call Control)

2009-01-28 Thread Victor Pascual Ávila
Hi Iñaki, in my scenario it works as follows. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > Hi, RFC 3725 "Best Current Practices for Third Party Call Control > (3pcc) in SIP" defines a way to create third party calls by sending an > INVITE to both, the caller and the callee. > > I

[Sip-implementors] Initial REFER vs RFC 3725 (Third Party Call Control)

2009-01-28 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
Hi, RFC 3725 "Best Current Practices for Third Party Call Control (3pcc) in SIP" defines a way to create third party calls by sending an INVITE to both, the caller and the callee. I don't like it at all, it seems not ellegant hack IMHO: - Alice uses a Click2Dial web page to call Bob. - The web se

Re: [Sip-implementors] If Local Min-Se is greater than the Remote Min-Se

2009-01-28 Thread Victor Pascual Ávila
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Govardhana Sankanna Nagendraprasad wrote: > Hi All, > >What should be the behavior of UAS upon receiving a INVITE request > with a timer option in the supported header, a valid Session-Expires value > and a Min-SE with a value lower than the configured va

[Sip-implementors] If Local Min-Se is greater than the Remote Min-Se

2009-01-28 Thread Govardhana Sankanna Nagendraprasad
Hi All, What should be the behavior of UAS upon receiving a INVITE request with a timer option in the supported header, a valid Session-Expires value and a Min-SE with a value lower than the configured value of UAS. UAC INVITE with x:120 and Min-SE: 90 -> UAS ( Configur

Re: [Sip-implementors] Is RFC 2833 a MUST in sending DTMF?

2009-01-28 Thread Attila Sipos
there is one disadvantage to RFC 4733. They have removed the hookflash (Flash) notification. In RFC2833 Flash was in Table 1: Event encoding (decimal) _ 0--90--9 *