Re: [sipx-users] Polycom Remote Phone MWI

2012-02-17 Thread Michael Picher
wow, good luck with that... no firewall enabled by default on sipXecs btw On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Tommy Laino tomla...@gmail.com wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: SipXecs Forum In-Reply-To:

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Michael Picher
Tim, I think the message here from all involved is that cutting corners gives you the results you have experienced. A VoIP system will quickly point out the problems with your network. Good network switches, properly configured are important to larger installations. Cheap phones stink, my

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tony Graziano
A familiar refrain here is: Use good phones. Use good switching gear (and a vlan for voice). If you are supporting trunking and/or remote users have a thorough understanding of your firewall to ensure it is compatible or use a SBC that can deliver the desired results. Pick and choose your ITSP

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Becker, Jesse
Tim, No one has accused you of being a troll and several of us have provided advise regarding LAN, firewall and PSTN setup. I would start with those recommendations and report back with any further issues to be addressed. On Feb 17, 2012 6:21 AM, Tony Graziano tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net wrote:

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Douglas Hubler
Tim, I welcomed your frank email, but I'm weird like that ;) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Tim Ingalls t...@sharedcom.net wrote: Routing inbound calls to an auto-attendant worked great for a long time and then just stopped working one day. After connecting the call, visitors were greeted

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Kyle Haefner
Hi Tim, Sorry to hear you've had trouble...I remember when we first got rolling feeling the same way. However, the mistakes we made early on we've corrected and it is my completely biased opinion that we have a pretty stable setup now between our network, gateways, servers and phones. We've had

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Nate
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Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Michael Picher
We of course have an ever increasing amount of this on the commercial side. The wiki, like the sipXecs software, is a community project. If you have suggestions or contributions you think would make things better, then don't just sit back and wait for somebody else to do it. More input and more

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Nate
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: SipXecs Forum In-Reply-To: CAAHujP6yyGWXFCF7q+FK9r+9G0gri=4_yinac_2tjezsecv...@mail.gmail.com X-FUDforum: 08063afcdd00a6e76393c5b9527381e8 66153 Message-ID: 10269.4f3df...@forum.sipfoundry.org Mike, I

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tony Graziano
I think that bringing up Zenoss is a bad example. The code and documentaqtion is openly available for sipXecs. Documentation and User Manuals are two different things. BTW -- Zenoss is based on Zope. Zope is cool and a neat way to handle network monitoring, but isn't zope full of security holes

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Burleigh, Matt
I too would like to see a side by side comparison of the current OpenUC offering versus SipXECS 4.4. We migrated from an old ShoreTel v6 system to a SipXECS 4.2-4.4 system about 8 months ago. We're small with about 30 users, do lots of conferencing and only a dozen hard phones, a mix of Polycom

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Martin Steinmann
http://www.sipfoundry.org/sipxecs-open-source-edition --martin -Original Message- From: sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org [mailto:sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org] On Behalf Of Burleigh, Matt Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:30 PM To: Discussion list for users of sipXecs

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Burleigh, Matt
Um, I think your mistaken, you were probably thinking of PHP. The National Vulnerability Database (CVE/CCE) has 30 results for Zope and 19,656 results for PHP. Zope has a very impressive tracked record, if you ask me. -Original Message- From: sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Todd Hodgen
I would think that there are many eZuce resellers that are jumping on the opportunity to show the difference between the open source solution and the eZuce solution after these questions. It's a great sales opportunity for eZuce resellers, to show how they differentiate that product from other

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Nate
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: SipXecs Forum In-Reply-To: camgknjuuppmrzst5yu43ka1npzh_dw2z_usj4fpm4mjdfgk...@mail.gmail.com X-FUDforum: 08063afcdd00a6e76393c5b9527381e8 66159 Message-ID: 1026f.4f3e0...@forum.sipfoundry.org Tony

[sipx-users] Bug fix release update: sipXecs 4.4.0 update #15

2012-02-17 Thread Douglas Hubler
Update #15 : Fri, 17, Feb 2012==- ** No security updates in this update **- ISO has *not* been rebuilt as decided in release policy. Yum updateafter installation is recommended for getting these updates.- Thank you all for your continued

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tim Ingalls
I did read the book. There are lots of important technical details that are not in the book. Thanks, Tim Ingalls Shared Communications, Inc. 801-618-2102 Office On 02/16/2012 07:29 PM, Tony Graziano wrote: You should read the book. On Feb 16, 2012

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tony Graziano
The book was written based on an earlier version of sipx but the concept is no different. I have heard a lot of positive feedback from people who have ready the book. If you stop being vague and ask questions while providing detail I'm sure you will get the answers you seek, if you are actively

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tim Ingalls
I appreciate your feedback. You're right. Being specific is helpful. However, I was trying to not be totally specific, because I'm bringing up a few main general points: 1. Learning and deploying sipXecs correctly is very complex. The learning curve is very steep

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tim Ingalls
Thanks for the great comments. I agree that QOS is difficult and PSTN connections typically just work. But I'm trying to leverage the cost savings of using SIP trunking with an ITSP in order to help customers justify switching their phone system. In this tough economy,

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Martin Steinmann
Tim - we really appreciate the feedback. The following might help add some additional perspective: - We need the community's help to keep improving the open source edition, especially as it relates to documentation on our Wiki and elsewhere, but also for specific features important

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Todd Hodgen
Cost savings on trunks is not exclusive to ITSP's and SIP trunks. The providers of ISDN did not just roll over and abandon their networks, they reduced their prices and are rigorously competing with the ITSPs. In many cases, PRI can be much less than SIP trunks, and provide for that ultimate,

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tim Ingalls
Michael, On 02/17/2012 03:02 AM, Michael Picher wrote: Tim, I think the message here from all involved is that cutting corners gives you the results you have experienced. If you look at my setup that I listed above in my

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tim Ingalls
Todd, Great points. So before I totally give up on the idea of using an ITSP and SIP trunking, do you know of any ITSPs that really do a good job and are compatible/certified with sipXecs? Thanks, Tim Ingalls Shared Communications, Inc. 801-618-2102 Office

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tim Ingalls
On 02/17/2012 07:12 AM, Robert Durst wrote: Tim, We receive most of the sipx emails (now in my junk folder) as we have previously tested sipx. After seeing this, I thought Id respond with

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Михаил Родионов
Hello, I'm going to address your voip.ms example because I'm sure no vendor like Avaya or Cisco ever bothers to document some 3rd party service provider specific settings like secret NAT settings for voip.ms VoIP is complex. Damn - it's REALLY complex and nowdays it feels even more complex than

Re: [sipx-users] was sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Todd Hodgen
With some meals, nothing can replace a good whine. Especially with a generic bottle with no label of what ingredients are in it. Leaves you wondering what you just drank that left that terrible aftertaste. From: sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tim Ingalls
I'm hoping we can not resort to name calling, Robert. I'm just trying to have a serious conversation so I can stop messing around with unsuccessful configs and get out and start selling. Michael, I believe that you have multi-thousand-seat systems. Are you using

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Martin Steinmann
Tim - as I read through this thread I think you got your answers. Grow up and take charge. You can do it - many others have before you. If not there is always Asterisk. --martin From: sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org [mailto:sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org] On Behalf Of Tim

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tim Ingalls
Douglas, On 02/17/2012 07:29 AM, Douglas Hubler wrote: Tim, I welcomed your frank email, but I'm weird like that ;) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Tim Ingallst...@sharedcom.net wrote: Routing inbound calls to an auto-attendant worked great for a long time and then just stopped working

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tim Ingalls
Todd, This user list is for USERS. It's even in the name of the list: sipx-users. Maybe you should start a new list called sipx-prospects so that you can protect your people from seeing any negatives in sipXecs. If this isn't the forum for detailing problems and

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tim Ingalls
Martin, I'm trying to grow up. I really am. I'll try to take charge. I really will. Thanks for the advice and the encouragement. Does eZuce pay you to offend potential partners? What a great job to have! Oh, wait, you're the President and CEO of Ezuce! So you

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tony Graziano
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Tim Ingalls t...@sharedcom.net wrote: I appreciate your feedback. You're right. Being specific is helpful. However, I was trying to not be totally specific, because I'm bringing up a few main general points: 1. Learning and deploying sipXecs correctly is very

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tim Ingalls
Martin, Thanks, Tim Ingalls Shared Communications, Inc. 801-618-2102 Office On 02/17/2012 08:30 PM, Martin Steinmann wrote: Tim we really appreciate the feedback. The following might help add some

Re: [sipx-users] sipXecs Commercial Feasibility

2012-02-17 Thread Tony Graziano
I don't think any of the responses to you have been unprofessional, that was uncalled for. I'll encourage anyone reading this thread to ignore the poster until (if) he musters up some civility. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Tim Ingalls t...@sharedcom.net wrote: Martin, I'm trying to grow