[sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread m...@grounded.net
I very badly need to make sure that a server is always present, that VM is always available. Even if it means dropped calls when failing over to another server, that would be acceptable. I've asked about fail over in the past and wondering if anyone has worked on such a beast to date? HA to

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread Tony Graziano
-users@list.sipfoundry.org Sent: Sun Jul 18 16:34:43 2010 Subject: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM I very badly need to make sure that a server is always present, that VM is always available. Even if it means dropped calls when failing over to another server, that would be acceptable

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread Tony Graziano
...@grounded.net; sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org Sent: Mon Jul 19 06:24:41 2010 Subject: Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM I don't think centralized voicemail has been addressed yet. In theory in a HA environment it could cause a lot more WAN traffic so its probably

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread Matt White
m...@grounded.net m...@grounded.net 07/19/10 7:25 AM HA to me always means having fully separate servers without one main controller. For example, web servers should have fail over front end load balancers to multiple back end servers. In the case of sipx, even some fail over would be good.

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread Jeremy Fluhmann
On Jul 18, 2010, at 3:34 PM, m...@grounded.net m...@grounded.net wrote: I very badly need to make sure that a server is always present, that VM is always available. Even if it means dropped calls when failing over to another server, that would be acceptable. I had considered going with

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread m...@grounded.net
I have been wondering about a combination of what you guys are doing. Rather than keeping two servers in sync, my thought is running two base servers, where each has it's sipx related directories on a very fast network share. The database server would be hosted on another server and a client

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread WORLEY, Dale R (Dale)
From: sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org [sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org] On Behalf Of Tony Graziano [tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net] I don't think centralized voicemail has been addressed yet. In theory in a HA environment it could cause a

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread Douglas Hubler
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:13 PM, WORLEY, Dale R (Dale) dwor...@avaya.com wrote: VM is a particularly difficult situation.  It is an operational component (as opposed to a configuragion component), so it has to operate in more or less real time. Are there situations particularly in branch

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread Tony Graziano
I think there's more to it than that. Right now, even in HA, wherever the user is created is where their VM box is. So there are some dependencies on the sole fact that if the server has VM, then that is where the user needs to check it. So it is more than an asynchronous replication, but also

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread m...@grounded.net
There's only one way to find out what might work, I'm going to build a couple of systems and see what I can come up with. Sometimes, solutions are found by not over complicating the thinking first, trying it, then working through the problems. What would happen if you had two sipx systems,

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread Kurt Siegfried
What about something like using Exchange Unified Messaging, and the clustering you can do with that for voicemail? It's not open source, but if you were a heavily Microsoft shop already, it might be something that was withing reach. Call control could stay with Sipx, and the voicemail records

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread WORLEY, Dale R (Dale)
From: sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org [sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Hubler [dhub...@ezuce.com] There would always be a window where vm could get lost though unless someone implements real-time replication filesystem

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread Tony Graziano
I think in his instance he is hosting service for lots of folks, so Exchange becomes unwieldly and expensive. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Kurt Siegfried kurt.siegfr...@gmail.comwrote: What about something like using Exchange Unified Messaging, and the clustering you can do with that for

Re: [sipx-users] Centralized database and VM

2010-07-19 Thread m...@grounded.net
 Given that status information is stored in the VM database, I would  expect that a filesystem replication strategy would work 98% of the time,  and the other 2% would destroy information.  I wouldn't trust anything less  than a real distributed DBMS to work robustly. Thing is, when the standby