Re: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Terry Collins
Jamie Honan wrote: i like these bits. lawyers are very silly people. If you are not an authorised recipient of this email, please contact Austbrokers immediately by return e-mail or by telephone on +61-2-4920-6117. My initial response when these appear on the list is to think that as

Re: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread David Fisher
My initial response when these appear on the list is to think that as it is not addressed to me, I'm not going to help with the problem. After all,people who put that sort of warning on their messages might be more likely to sue me if any advice I give doesn't solve their problem. Tend to

Re: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Howard Lowndes
Does anyone know of any cases where these disclaimers have actually been tested in court. Since they are really a case of Horse - Bolted - Stable Door my money is on them not being of much value other than as a frightener. It might be more appropriate for a brief statement as to copyright to be

Re: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Terry Collins
David Fisher wrote: My initial response when these appear on the list is to think that as it is not addressed to me, I'm not going to help with the problem. After all,people who put that sort of warning on their messages might be more likely to sue me if any advice I give doesn't solve

Re: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
Terry Collins wrote: Now a list of companies that add these would be something useful - "you mail has been rejected because we do not accept your legal threat/requirements". Oh... No wonder we haven't been getting mail from Raz after filtering on "whereas" and "recipient"... ;)

[SLUG] Outlook2000 and Wine

2000-11-11 Thread Andrew Dick
Has anyone got outlook2000 to work with wine? (I know I know, why bother you say) I am using the most recent wine binary and have got other win95 programs working but none of the office2000 suite to work. I'm using RedHat 6.2 with kernel 2.2.14. It comes up with some errors regarding dll

Re: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Michael Lake
David Fisher wrote: The poor sods are more deserving of sympathy with living with the embarrassment of having this twaddle added to their mail without their consent. It is only a matter of time before I will be so afflicted at work. Jill, who is the sys admin for her companies research

Re: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
Michael Lake wrote: Are there any ways for Linux users to remove such attachments? Maybe embedded HTML with JavaScript to run at the receivers mailer perhaps? Sort of a nice virus :-) Any ideas? Well, you can always cut anything after the "-- ", as shown in your signature. However, most

[SLUG] Perl help with Webmin module

2000-11-11 Thread George Vieira
Hi all, I've got webmin running on linux and I'm trying to get the APC modules working with the latest version of powerchute for linux. I've gotten to the point where it reads the values of the data file into a bunch of strings which outputs to the page. Problem is that when the split command

Re: [SLUG] Perl help with Webmin module

2000-11-11 Thread Ken Yap
bunch of strings which outputs to the page. Problem is that when the split command runs, it grabs all the data into the first string.. Here's a sample data file... 11/07/00,20:18:20,243.1,252.2,247.0,55.05,50.00,005.2,036.4, , ...

Worse than that was: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Anand Kumria
On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 07:59:11PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: [snip - howard's email] [snip - the email his was replying to, in full] Even worse, IMO, than lawyers attempting to mitigate disaster which email is people who respond at the top of a message without taking the time to trim it to

Re: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Anand Kumria
On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 12:53:08AM +1100, Michael Lake wrote: Jill, who is the sys admin for her companies research section, now gets this crap attached to to all her work email and has had no success in getting this removed. She tried several departments. Are there any ways for Linux

Re: [SLUG] Legal Interoperability World Domination

2000-11-11 Thread Anand Kumria
On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 12:33:10PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Morning all, It stems from some of the things going on in the Free Software world at the moment, and the phrase, "Interoperability favours quality." I've heard this argument used numerous times to rationalise the development of

Re: [SLUG] Legal Interoperability World Domination

2000-11-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
Anand Kumria wrote: So non-GPL won't disappear. Other bigger exampels are Bind, OpenLDAP, OpenSSL, Apache and most MTAs (Mail Transer Agents) except Exim. Big infrastructural projects... I decided not to mention these because I'd imagine that the past lack of corporate acceptance of the

Re: [SLUG] Legal Interoperability World Domination

2000-11-11 Thread Anand Kumria
On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:21:53AM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Anand Kumria wrote: So non-GPL won't disappear. Other bigger exampels are Bind, OpenLDAP, OpenSSL, Apache and most MTAs (Mail Transer Agents) except Exim. Big infrastructural projects... I decided not to mention these because

Re: [SLUG] Legal Interoperability World Domination

2000-11-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
Anand Kumria wrote: Actually I have never encountered that. Most "corporates" seem to accept fairly quickly that the GPL is good for them because it means their competitors, if using the same software, must also realise (a simplification, yes) their changes. You can see this in how most

[SLUG] OT - BIOS FIND

2000-11-11 Thread Richard Blackburn
Anyone know a generic web site to get BIOS upgrades. I need Award V5.51G. If I go to the Award/Phoenix sites, it becomes a run around that you have to pay for. The m'board is an old Octel that there doesn't appear to be a site for. Thanks in advance Richard -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group

Re: Worse than that was: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Howard Lowndes
I see the email police are on patrol. -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Anand Kumria wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 07:59:11PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: [snip - howard's email]

Re: Worse than that was: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
Howard Lowndes wrote: I see the email police are on patrol. It's bandwidth and traffic though... and it's all free for us, so we shouldn't abuse it. Those lawyery bits are enough entropy-power for the server, we don't need to add to it. ;) [ Everything on this list is multiplied by...

Re: [SLUG] OT - BIOS FIND

2000-11-11 Thread Howard Lowndes
http://www.ping.be/bios -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Richard Blackburn wrote: Anyone know a generic web site to get BIOS upgrades. I need Award V5.51G. If I go to the

Re: Worse than that was: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Howard Lowndes
I agree. I just get peeved by the public displays of rudeness of some ppl. -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Jeff Waugh wrote: It's bandwidth and traffic though... and it's all free

RE: [SLUG] Perl help with Webmin module

2000-11-11 Thread George Vieira
Found some doco un split which shows it using: split(/,/) thanks. -Original Message- From: Ken Yap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 1:07 AM To: Sydney Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] Perl help with Webmin module bunch of strings which outputs to the

[SLUG] Re: Outlook2000 and Wine

2000-11-11 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{Andrew Dick} Has anyone got outlook2000 to work with wine? (I know I know, why bother you say) I am using the most recent wine binary and have got other win95 programs working but none of the office2000 suite to work. I'm using RedHat 6.2 with kernel 2.2.14. It comes up with some

Re: [SLUG] Legal Interoperability World Domination

2000-11-11 Thread Herbert Xu
Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: b) Will non-GPL-compatible software disappear into obscurity as developers find software that *can* be integrated, included and hacked upon within strong GPL projects? No, there will always be authors (e.g. raster) who want to recognised

Re: Worse than that was: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread DaZZa
On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Howard Lowndes wrote: I agree. I just get peeved by the public displays of rudeness of some ppl. And your messages with the entire 30 or 40 line missive attached to the end and a one or two line comment at the start aren't rude? Sorry Howard - I regard your posting

Re: Worse than that was: [SLUG] Lawyerly attachments

2000-11-11 Thread Michael
This thread is a joke now.. I won't quote it, but lets just say I am one of the people that has deleted it, and continued to do so. How about we ease up. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug

[SLUG] Adding a user to a group

2000-11-11 Thread David Fisher
Hi all, I have been trying to add an ordinary user to the group lp to give him access to the printer when using pdq. I never had any trouble doing this when I used Redhat, by editing /etc/group but this doesn't seem to work on Debian (woody). What am I missing here? David -- SLUG -

Re: [SLUG] Adding a user to a group

2000-11-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
David Fisher wrote: I have been trying to add an ordinary user to the group lp to give him access to the printer when using pdq. I never had any trouble doing this when I used Redhat, by editing /etc/group but this doesn't seem to work on Debian (woody). What am I missing here?

Re: [SLUG] Adding a user to a group

2000-11-11 Thread David Fisher
usermod? Then you don't even have to use vi! :D Check out it's manpage, given that usermod --help is pretty terse. Remember that you also have to re-login for changes to have effect. - Jeff Success. Thanks, Jeff. I suppose I just wasn't doing it right. Anyway, what's wrong with

Re: [SLUG] Adding a user to a group

2000-11-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
David Fisher wrote: Anyway, what's wrong with vi? (Evil grin, exits stage left, hoping has left new holy war behind him) Hah - nothing, I'm just being a pain. :) I'm using vim right now to type up this message, only the host I'm on won't allow me to use my favourite little vi trick,

[SLUG] Re: Adding a user to a group

2000-11-11 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{Jeff Waugh} Hah - nothing, I'm just being a pain. :) I'm using vim right now to type up this message, only the host I'm on won't allow me to use my favourite little vi trick, 'gqap'. When you type it over a paragraph, it lines it up, pulls out the space, and makes it purdy. :) It

[SLUG] Nagle - more on the saga

2000-11-11 Thread Howard Lowndes
Well, setting TCP_NODELAY in telnet certainly improved things and got rid of the 200 ms delay between packets, but I still have a problem in that the packets are still going: DATA1 - ACK1 - DATA2 - ACK2 ... only now the delay is only the length of the circuit latency, which is still

[SLUG] Re: Nagle - more on the saga

2000-11-11 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{Howard Lowndes} Well, setting TCP_NODELAY in telnet certainly improved things and got rid of the 200 ms delay between packets, but I still have a problem in that the packets are still going: DATA1 - ACK1 - DATA2 - ACK2 ... only now the delay is only the length of the circuit

Re: [SLUG] Nagle - more on the saga

2000-11-11 Thread Scott Howard
On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 04:49:44PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: Well, setting TCP_NODELAY in telnet certainly improved things and got rid of the 200 ms delay between packets, but I still have a problem in that the packets are still going: DATA1 - ACK1 - DATA2 - ACK2 ... Sounds like you've

Re: [SLUG] Re: Nagle - more on the saga

2000-11-11 Thread Scott Howard
On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 05:23:21PM +1100, Angus Lees wrote: DATA1 - DATA2 - ACK1 - ACK2 ... So why is this not happening, or am I misunderstanding here? what you want is a nagle algorithm ;) Not at all. What he wants is Delayed ACK. if you want to combine the writes on your end, you

Re: [SLUG] Adding a user to a group

2000-11-11 Thread chesty
On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:20:22PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: usermod? Then you don't even have to use vi! :D I don't like the way usermod handles adding users to groups. ie if jeff already belongs to group video and games and you want to add gnats to that list you have to do: usermod -G

Re: [SLUG] Re: Nagle - more on the saga

2000-11-11 Thread James Morris
On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Scott Howard wrote: TCP_CORK is yet another example of Linux bloat. No, quite the opposite. The purpose of TCP_CORK is so that applications using sendfile() don't get hammered by Nagle, which would otherwise need to be handled by bloating the sendfile() implementation