Re: [SLUG] apt question - backports and dist-upgrade

2003-12-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
> One of my debian boxes si running stable with a fairly messy collection of > backports. I am now thinking of changing top unstable thus elinating the > need for many of the backports. Yet after, when I do a dist-upgrade many > of the backports aren't listed as being upgraded. I want the officia

[SLUG] apt question - backports and dist-upgrade

2003-12-22 Thread Alex Sutcliffe
Hi, One of my debian boxes si running stable with a fairly messy collection of backports. I am now thinking of changing top unstable thus elinating the need for many of the backports. Yet after, when I do a dist-upgrade many of the backports aren't listed as being upgraded. I want the official

RE: [SLUG] Knoppix 3.3 CD

2003-12-22 Thread Rowling, Jill
The freebie comment refers to "I don't know if the person who created the CD actually checked to see if all the CD was written". No reflection on license or software quality or anything else. Yes, there was the option of a boot prompt and no doubt I could load all the modules at that stage. The d

Re: [SLUG] Knoppix 3.3 CD

2003-12-22 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 09:29, Rowling, Jill wrote: > Hi all, > > Out of curiosity I booted my home PC with a new Knoppix 3.3 CD ... but no > luck this time. > It died with a kernel panic as it doesn't know about the SCSI system I > think, Adaptec 29160 controller iirc. > This is the first time I've

Re: [SLUG] Knoppix 3.3 CD

2003-12-22 Thread Kevin Saenz
Hi Jill, > Out of curiosity I booted my home PC with a new Knoppix 3.3 CD ... but > no luck this time. > It died with a kernel panic as it doesn't know about the SCSI system I > think, Adaptec 29160 controller iirc. > This is the first time I've ever had a Knoppix fail on me: usually > they are th

[SLUG] Knoppix 3.3 CD

2003-12-22 Thread Rowling, Jill
Title: Knoppix 3.3 CD Hi all, Out of curiosity I booted my home PC with a new Knoppix 3.3 CD ... but no luck this time. It died with a kernel panic as it doesn't know about the SCSI system I think, Adaptec 29160 controller iirc. This is the first time I've ever had a Knoppix fail on me: usua

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Brad Kowalczyk
Gottfried Szing wrote: this was my idea and the comparison of both sites is very interessting. when you take the numbers and take from both sides the top5, the picture is completely different. freshmeat sourceforge FM+SF C 5799C 12377C18176

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Gottfried Szing
hi Which lang' is used most in open source Linux application projects, is it C or C++? I'm not sure why it matters, it's probably best to find a project you're interested in, and go from there, but this might help: http://freshmeat.net/browse/160/?topic_id=160 sourceforge might be another place t

Re: [SLUG] 2.6.0 and freeswan (Debian)

2003-12-22 Thread Stuart
Freeswan is broken with the standard kernel that ships with Mandrake 9.2 I have to reinstall the version that shipped with 9.1. Not even game to try it with the 2.6 kernel yet. There are a lot of core dependencies that mean you have to get the right mix of kernel version to freeswan version. ick.

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread mlh
"Eddie F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Which lang' is used most in open source Linux application projects, is > it C or C++? C is probably the most popular. But that's not necessarily the language you should be using. If you're doing application level stuff, you should look at Python, which

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:01:43 +1100 Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You, you!! > > Seriously though, C++ is only more complex than C if your problem domain > is trivial. Beyond that, C gets more complex than C++ to model the same > problems - IME. (Not that C++ is a panacea - it's not)

[SLUG] 2.6.0 and freeswan (Debian)

2003-12-22 Thread Alexander Samad
Hi Has any one gotten freeswan and 2.6.0 to work together (ie not using the new native ipv4 ipsec stack) Alex -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread umug
"Eddie F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Which lang' is used most in open source Linux application projects, is > it C or C++? I'm not sure why it matters, it's probably best to find a project you're interested in, and go from there, but this might help: http://freshmeat.net/browse/160/?topic_id=

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Eddie F
From: Gottfried Szing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> my suggestion to start programming and to contribute: use your apps as usuall and if you have an idea to improve an app (eg missing feature or problem which can be tracked down), feel free to change/enhance the code and send a patch. this will help u to

Re: [SLUG] web-script

2003-12-22 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Kevin Saenz wrote: >> under debian the restart does nothing else than a "ifdown" followed by >> an "ifup", ie reconfiguration of the network interfaces. a stop and >> start does more like mounting devices. so it in some cases it makes >> senses to stop and start agai

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 21:42, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > > > Learn C++ for to begin with to learn good programming concepts and methodology. > Then, when the cruftiness and excessive complexity of C++ become too much, > ditch it for the simple elegance of C :-). > > You, you!! Seriously tho

Re: [SLUG] web-script

2003-12-22 Thread Kevin Saenz
> under debian the restart does nothing else than a "ifdown" followed by > an "ifup", ie reconfiguration of the network interfaces. a stop and > start does more like mounting devices. so it in some cases it makes > senses to stop and start again instead of a simple restart. > Are we talking abo

Re: [SLUG] 2.6.0 killed my soundcard???

2003-12-22 Thread Jan Schmidt
On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 21:31, Peter Chubb wrote: > Since installing 2.6.0 on my laptop, my soundcard no longer works. > > There's hiss on the speakers, that changes volume when I adjust the > master volume slider; but there's no output from anything: cd (via > xmcd) /dev/dsp (cat x.wav > /dev/dsp0)

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:35:23 +1100 Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ouch! Thats nearly 180' out from what I'd recommend. C teaches very bad > habits for C++ programming. I'd agree with that :-). Learn C++ for to begin with to learn good programming concepts and methodology. Then, w

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:12:51 +1100 Gottfried Szing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ok, i was not as accurate as necessary. you are completely right, but i > think for a rough (very rough) classification the term C/C++ is correct. No its not. You still don't hear people talking about C/C++/Java do y

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 21:12, Gottfried Szing wrote: > Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > > Please, there is no such language as C/C++; there are two languages C > > and C++. C++ and Java have more in common than C and C++ and you don't > > hear of people talking about C++/Java as if they were the same l

[SLUG] 2.6.0 killed my soundcard???

2003-12-22 Thread Peter Chubb
Since installing 2.6.0 on my laptop, my soundcard no longer works. There's hiss on the speakers, that changes volume when I adjust the master volume slider; but there's no output from anything: cd (via xmcd) /dev/dsp (cat x.wav > /dev/dsp0) the PC speaker, or even using the ALSA utilities (aplay

Re: [SLUG] web-script

2003-12-22 Thread Gottfried Szing
Kevin Saenz wrote: Trevor, Sorry for responding late how are you going to start a network connection from a web page when you need network connection to access the web port? Wouldn't you prefer /etc/init.d/network restart? under debian the restart does nothing else than a "ifdown" followed by an

Re: [SLUG] web-script

2003-12-22 Thread Kevin Saenz
Trevor, Sorry for responding late how are you going to start a network connection from a web page when you need network connection to access the web port? Wouldn't you prefer /etc/init.d/network restart? sorry for sounding stupid. Could I ask what that type of script would be useful for? > > wha

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Gottfried Szing
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Sketch? Zope? Mailman? woops i have no idea what language is used most of the time, but my guess is (as noted above) C/C++. Please, there is no such language as C/C++; there are two languages C and C++. C++ and Java have more in common than C and C++ and you don't

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:32:28 +1100 Gottfried Szing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i think most of the code has been written in C/C++. python? hm, i think > this is just for some install/setup tools. applications written in > python is very rare. i havent seen them "in the wild" :) Sketch? Zope? M

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Gottfried Szing
hi edd what language? From what I can gather, most projects are either C or Python (correct me if I'm wrong), so these 2. i think most of the code has been written in C/C++. python? hm, i think this is just for some install/setup tools. applications written in python is very rare. i havent se

Re: [SLUG] Programming Book, for Open Source.

2003-12-22 Thread Eddie F
From: Gottfried Szing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd like to get back into programming, to read (and possibly modify) open source code for Linux. Any book suggestions? hm, many open queastions. Yes... Email first, think later! what language? From what I can gather, most projects are either C or Python