[SLUG] Stupid damn microsoft mail clients

2005-02-23 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Hi all, I'm on a mailing list with a whole bunch of microsoft lusers. Recently I've noticed that one of the more recent microsoft mail clients has dropped the RFC recogonised In-Reply-To and References header fields and replaced them with: Thread-Index: AcUYNLXbBm9ZZffiQzGT9HegnIFkKQBQX6jQ

Re: [SLUG] Wehre to get hard-copies of GNU manuals?

2005-02-23 Thread Peter Miller
On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 14:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are too large to just print (over 200 pages), and inconvenient to me to rea on-line. If you can print it double sided (costs as little as $400 for a full duplex laser printer from Panasonic) you can get mail-order thesis binding (i.e. a

Re: [SLUG] Weird login behaviour

2005-02-23 Thread amos
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:12:02 +1100, Mike MacCana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:08:30 +1100, Mike MacCana That said, even if you don't have the second item, try anyway - if it says that, say, netstat has a bad MD5, then you know its bad - if

Re: [SLUG] Stupid damn microsoft mail clients

2005-02-23 Thread Chris Deigan
quote(Erik de Castro Lopo); to all emails I send to this list. Has anyone else seen this crap? $ for x in *.mbox ; do echo $x ; grep Thread-Index: $x/$x | wc -l ; done activities.mbox 4 amusig.mbox 1 announce.mbox 0 jobs.mbox 9 linuxchix.mbox 12 pearls.mbox 0 slug-chat.mbox 26 slug.mbox 323 -

Re: [SLUG] FC Boot problem

2005-02-23 Thread mlh
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 03:45:15PM +1100, Rod Butcher wrote: to a 17 crt for very long, as last Saturday. Any recommendations of a low-wattage monitor that isn't financially crippling ? How much is financially crippling? I picked up a philips 17 lcd for $399 the other day. Matt -- SLUG -

Re: [SLUG] Wehre to get hard-copies of GNU manuals?

2005-02-23 Thread mlh
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 07:46:34PM +1100, Peter Miller wrote: If you can print it double sided (costs as little as $400 for a full duplex laser printer from Panasonic) you can get mail-order thesis binding (i.e. a *real* hardcover book) from Allbook Bindery 91 Ryedale Rd West Ryde 2114

Re: [SLUG] Wehre to get hard-copies of GNU manuals?

2005-02-23 Thread mlh
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 09:18:53PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Similarly fastbooks.com.au do a complete from pdf to bound book service. The minimum run however is 50, and I can't find a price list (I used to have it around here somewhere ...) Here:

Re: [SLUG] Stupid damn microsoft mail clients

2005-02-23 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:11:22 +1100 Chris Deigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ for x in *.mbox ; do echo $x ; grep Thread-Index: $x/$x | wc -l ; done snip slug.mbox 323 I can beat that :-) grep -r Thread-Index: Mail/music-dsp/ | wc -l 536 Erik --

Re: [SLUG] Stupid damn microsoft mail clients

2005-02-23 Thread Chris Deigan
quote(Erik de Castro Lopo); I can beat that :-) You suggest that is a good thing? - Chris -- my e-penis is better than yours -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] Stupid damn microsoft mail clients

2005-02-23 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:37:32 +1100 Chris Deigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote(Erik de Castro Lopo); I can beat that :-) You suggest that is a good thing? Err, no. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's

Re: [SLUG] Wehre to get hard-copies of GNU manuals?

2005-02-23 Thread amos
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:18:53 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that maybe this would be useful if a bunch of sluggers got together to print, say, debian/redhat admin books or whatever. Incidentally, NewsForge is running an article about just such a service (heps people

Re: [SLUG] Wehre to get hard-copies of GNU manuals?

2005-02-23 Thread Peter Miller
On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 22:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, NewsForge is running an article about just such a service (heps people find cheap printers for free documents) running in Italy, maybe we can start a local chapter for this one... I'll bring one of my not-rare-any-more books

[SLUG] losing wireless connection

2005-02-23 Thread David
I'm running a netgear wg511t pcmcia card on Ubuntu Warty and a netgear wireless router (recently purchased, can't recall model number). It's worked perfectly for about 4/5 weeks, until suddenly it became intermittent, then died completely. At first I thought it was a config problem, given I

[SLUG] Re: losing wireless connection

2005-02-23 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 11:16:44PM +1100, David wrote: I'm running a netgear wg511t pcmcia card on Ubuntu Warty and a netgear wireless router (recently purchased, can't recall model number). It's worked perfectly for about 4/5 weeks, until suddenly it became intermittent, then died

Re: [SLUG] Re: losing wireless connection

2005-02-23 Thread Ben de Luca
On 23/02/2005, at 11:31 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 11:16:44PM +1100, David wrote: I'm running a netgear wg511t pcmcia card on Ubuntu Warty and a netgear wireless router (recently purchased, can't recall model number). It's worked perfectly for about 4/5 weeks, until suddenly

Re: [SLUG] MD5 sum error on kernel-source-2.6.8 at pacfic.net

2005-02-23 Thread mlh
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 02:10:38PM +1100, Michael Lake wrote: Hi all For the last 3 weeks or so whenever I have tried to upgrade my Debian I have been getting an MD5 sum error on a kernel-source package from pacific.net. Get:3 http://mirror.pacific.net.au testing/main libcurl2

[SLUG] Blue tooth remote control application for Linux.

2005-02-23 Thread Paul Ford
Title: Blue tooth remote control application for Linux. Is there a program for Linux that enables me to use my mobile phone like a mouse that connects via blue tooth to see and control KDE ? Name: Paul Ford Position: Network Support Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: N/A Extension: 296

[SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread DaZZa
We may as well shut down the internet now. http://www.smh.com.au/news/Breaking/ISPs-forced-to-join-child-porn-crackdown/2005/02/23/1109046951674.html aside If you don't have one already, login with username: vanitas password: vain /aside Basically, it makes Australian ISP's liable for $55000

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Benno
On Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 10:08:33 +1100, DaZZa wrote: We may as well shut down the internet now. http://www.smh.com.au/news/Breaking/ISPs-forced-to-join-child-porn-crackdown/2005/02/23/1109046951674.html aside If you don't have one already, login with username: vanitas password: vain /aside

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread QuantumG
Benno wrote: Of course, there is a bit of a problem here, how can they check it? Since that is also illegal. Woah! Good point. I hear there's a lot of child porn over at 207.46.144.222, let's ban that. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Marek Wawrzyczny
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:15, Benno wrote: On Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 10:08:33 +1100, DaZZa wrote: We may as well shut down the internet now. http://www.smh.com.au/news/Breaking/ISPs-forced-to-join-child-porn-crackdo wn/2005/02/23/1109046951674.html aside If you don't have one already, login

[SLUG] Howcome I Have suspicious headers?

2005-02-23 Thread Luke Skywalker
I tried to send a post, but I got a message saying I have suspicious headers. Maybe I shouldnt have included X-ThisIsSpam: True It's waiting moderator approval Luke -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs:

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Luke Skywalker
Hi everyone, I'm new to this group... I tend to agree that this seems like a ridiculous law. Firstly, it's unlinkey they will be aware of a particular site, unless the authoraties have notified them. And secondly. anyone with above average computer knowledge is able to circumvent most

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread QuantumG
Luke Skywalker wrote: I personally would love to see all offenders and people running those sites in jail...but I'd focus on taking the sites down for good not just a restriction on access. Well, I think the problem is that many of these sites are overseas so the Australian police can't touch

Re: [SLUG] Howcome I Have suspicious headers?

2005-02-23 Thread Peter Hardy
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 10:37, Luke Skywalker wrote: I tried to send a post, but I got a message saying I have suspicious headers. Please don't send administrative requests to the list address. Of the 700 or so subscribers, there's about 6 in a position to do anything about it. And, for the

[SLUG] Missing devices?

2005-02-23 Thread Ken Caldwell
Yesterday I installed Debian Sarge on an old P120 with 32MB RAM and a 1275MB HDD using the rc2 netinst.iso. For the first time I tried the installation using the 2.6.8-1-386 kernel. (On other occassions I have added a 2.6 kernel later.) While trying to establish printing via the parallel port I

[SLUG] Re: Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread jam
Basically, it makes Australian ISP's liable for $55000 fines if their service can be USED to access child pornography and they don't report it to the federal police. Furrfu! If I was running an ISP, I'd just report the entire internet and be done with it. *Any* internet connection can be

Re: [SLUG] Re: Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread David Fisher
A whole act of parliment forever defeated by ssh port forwarding !!! Fer gawd's sake, what are you trying to do? They'll prohibit ssh next. David x22707 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs:

Re: [SLUG] Howcome I Have suspicious headers?

2005-02-23 Thread Ian Wienand
On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 10:37:09AM +1100, Luke Skywalker wrote: I tried to send a post, but I got a message saying I have suspicious headers. This is not the list you are looking for ... this is not the list I'm looking for ... You will email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with these problems ... I will

Re: [SLUG] Re: Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Peter Hardy
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 11:40, David Fisher wrote: A whole act of parliment forever defeated by ssh port forwarding !!! Fer gawd's sake, what are you trying to do? They'll prohibit ssh next. Then we'll start encapsulating our ssh sessions in UDP. ...actually, no, we won't. Most definitely

Re: [SLUG] Missing devices?

2005-02-23 Thread Amos Shapira
It's not bash but the device driver. See in dmesg (or the boot log in kern.log) for the list of devices the kernel found during boot, and what names/numbers it may have assigned to them. I suspect that the kernel did find the device during boot and that's why the module is loaded (unless you force

Re: [SLUG] Re: Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Rod Butcher
I think such illegal stuff together with copyright violation indicates we have to face up to the regulation of the Internet like any other news or communication media. A web or news hoster has the same status as printing press, and somebody in Oz browsing illegal website content hosted in xyzland

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Marek Wawrzyczny
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:59, QuantumG wrote: Well, I think the problem is that many of these sites are overseas so the Australian police can't touch them. Of course, it really makes you wonder why there isn't international treaties on this stuff. For example, I can imagine that Australia would

Re: [SLUG] Weird login behaviour

2005-02-23 Thread Mike MacCana
Ben de Luca wrote: On 23/02/2005, at 5:12 PM, Mike MacCana wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:08:30 +1100, Mike MacCana That said, even if you don't have the second item, try anyway - if it says that, say, netstat has a bad MD5, then you know its bad - if it doesn't, then be

Re: [SLUG] Re: Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Marek Wawrzyczny
Hi Ron, I really hope you are kidding... :) On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:56, Rod Butcher wrote: I think such illegal stuff together with copyright violation indicates we have to face up to the regulation of the Internet like any other news or communication media. A web or news hoster has the same

[SLUG] General Notice of upcoming AGM Election

2005-02-23 Thread Grant Parnell
The latest info can be found at http://www.slug.org.au/2005/election.html SLUG Annual General Meeting: Friday 1st April, 7:15pm (yes really!) SLUG's Annual General Meeting This message has the following sections:- A) Agenda for the AGM B) Memberships Due C) Committee positions

[SLUG] Nomination: Chris Deigan

2005-02-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
Morning, For tradition's sake, and recognition of another year's excellent service to SLUG, I nominate Chris Deigan for honourary membership of the SLUG committee Thanks, - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2005: April 18th-23rdhttp://linux.conf.au/ So between a jazz musician,

Re: [SLUG] Nomination: Chris Deigan

2005-02-23 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 12:40 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: For tradition's sake, and recognition of another year's excellent service to SLUG, I nominate Chris Deigan for honourary membership of the SLUG committee Seconded. Keep up the great work Chris! -- Cheers, Craige -- SLUG - Sydney

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Terry Collins
Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: It's actually not as bad... there are already international efforts to catch these types of people, I believe the relatively recent arrests in Australia were part of an international effort of agencies from Europe, Interpol, etc... No, nothing so wonderful. Sometimes

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Marek Wawrzyczny
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:47, Terry Collins wrote: Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: It's actually not as bad... there are already international efforts to catch these types of people, I believe the relatively recent arrests in Australia were part of an international effort of agencies from Europe,

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Benno
On Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 15:15:03 +1100, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:47, Terry Collins wrote: Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: It's actually not as bad... there are already international efforts to catch these types of people, I believe the relatively recent arrests in Australia

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Marek Wawrzyczny
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:17, Benno wrote: On Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 15:15:03 +1100, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:47, Terry Collins wrote: Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: It's actually not as bad... there are already international efforts to catch these types of people, I believe the

Re: [SLUG] Weird login behaviour

2005-02-23 Thread amos
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:12:27 +1100, Mike MacCana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why do you trust the back up of the RPM database? Because its on a CDR, and you've made one each week, hopefully from a date before your machine got attacked. OK, you would be right on this if you could trust the CD

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Howard Lowndes
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 15:15, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:47, Terry Collins wrote: Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: It's actually not as bad... there are already international efforts to catch these types of people, I believe the relatively recent arrests in Australia were

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Howard Lowndes
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 15:17, Benno wrote: On Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 15:15:03 +1100, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:47, Terry Collins wrote: Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: It's actually not as bad... there are already international efforts to catch these types of people, I believe

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Howard Lowndes
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 15:26, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:17, Benno wrote: On Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 15:15:03 +1100, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:47, Terry Collins wrote: Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: It's actually not as bad... there are already

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread QuantumG
Howard Lowndes wrote: Which then begs the question as to the status of M$ networks. So we should ban 207.46.156.188? Ok, doing it right now. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Michael Lake
Howard Lowndes wrote: So if a pR)n site states All models are 18+ years does that put you in the clear, even though they look about 12+ - to my eyes at least, but then what do I know. ...and what if the 15yr old model is entirely computer generated? I can see that in the future the business ppl

RE: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Roger Barnes
...and what if Can you guys take this somewhere else please? It's just not linux. Cheers, - Rog -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread QuantumG
Michael Lake wrote: ...and what if the 15yr old model is entirely computer generated? I can see that in the future the business ppl that cater to this 'market' will start to use very advanced computer graphics to create 'kiddies'. I can see them trying to get a ruling in a court that this is

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Marek Wawrzyczny
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:50, Howard Lowndes wrote: I agree it's poorly written but: Under the new laws, an ISP or ICH will face penalties of $11,000 for the individual and $55,000 for body corporates if they are made aware that their service can be used to access material that they have

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Terry Collins
Michael Lake wrote: ...and what if the 15yr old model is entirely computer generated? I can see that in the future the business ppl that cater to this 'market' will start to use very advanced computer graphics to create 'kiddies'. I can see them trying to get a ruling in a court that this is

Re: [SLUG] Weird login behaviour

2005-02-23 Thread Mike MacCana
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:12:31 +1100, Mike MacCana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:12:02 +1100, Mike MacCana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:08:30 +1100, Mike MacCana

Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!

2005-02-23 Thread Howard Lowndes
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 15:59, Michael Lake wrote: Howard Lowndes wrote: So if a pR)n site states All models are 18+ years does that put you in the clear, even though they look about 12+ - to my eyes at least, but then what do I know. ...and what if the 15yr old model is entirely computer