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2004-04-20 Thread Pete de Zwart
I disagree, if the software doesn't come in on punched cards or ticker tape, then what's the point? I have to agree with you James, especially in a produciton environment, if you want to have that five 9s uptime (99.999%) then you have to splash the money around. Then hope that one of the PFYs d

Re: [SLUG] [pjtraynor@eircom.net: Anyone care to read this!]

2004-04-20 Thread James Gray
Alec Thomas wrote: The biggest problem is that manufacturers regularly change their chipsets and on-board designs without notice and without incrementing the model number. So you might read someone's report online about it working out of the box, only to find your one is a completely different dev

Re: [SLUG] [pjtraynor@eircom.net: Anyone care to read this!]

2004-04-20 Thread Ian Wienand
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:38:51PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > Just in case anyone reading this actually buys into Paul's comments, > it's not Linux's fault, it's the hardware manufacturer's for not > providing support. There's three ways to get support for your > hardware into any operating s

Re: [SLUG] [pjtraynor@eircom.net: Anyone care to read this!]

2004-04-20 Thread Alec Thomas
> The biggest problem is that manufacturers regularly change their chipsets > and on-board designs without notice and without incrementing the model > number. So you might read someone's report online about it working out > of the box, only to find your one is a completely different device. > Wire

Re: [SLUG] [pjtraynor@eircom.net: Anyone care to read this!]

2004-04-20 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Harald Richard Ashburner wrote: > How is this done? > I've not yet come accross a decent tutorial or HowTo doc that takes an > idiot (ie me) through the process of buying hardware that will work with > linux. Quite simple, really: only buy products that explicitely sa

Re: [SLUG] [pjtraynor@eircom.net: Anyone care to read this!]

2004-04-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:44:25PM +1000, Harald Richard Ashburner wrote: > Matthew Palmer said: > > >Basically, there's no shortage of hardware that works with Linux. If you > >buy truck tyres, do you complain because they don't fit on your Datsun? No. > >So why do people insist on complaining

Re: [SLUG] [pjtraynor@eircom.net: Anyone care to read this!]

2004-04-20 Thread Harald Richard Ashburner
Matthew Palmer said: >Basically, there's no shortage of hardware that works with Linux. If you >buy truck tyres, do you complain because they don't fit on your Datsun? No. >So why do people insist on complaining because they picked hardware that >doesn't have Linux support? How is this done? I

Re: [SLUG] [pjtraynor@eircom.net: Anyone care to read this!]

2004-04-20 Thread Terry Collins
...snip. > Unfortunately you or I may not like it but the market it driven by can > we turn it on and have everything done for us as we don't have the > inclination to want to look under the hood. Yep, they are called customers. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} email: terryc at woa.com.au www:

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2004-04-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:52:26PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > I see where you're both coming from I really do. > fact is, $user out there don't know enough or care enough or have the > patients to troubleshoot the system when they can't seem to get it > working and some experienced windows user

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2004-04-20 Thread Shaun Oliver
I see where you're both coming from I really do. fact is, $user out there don't know enough or care enough or have the patients to troubleshoot the system when they can't seem to get it working and some experienced windows users out there wouldn't be bothered either. Unfortunately you or I may

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2004-04-20 Thread James Gray
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:40 pm, James Gray wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:22 pm, Shaun Oliver wrote: > > just thought I'd forward this on. > > from the snipit I read, > > it confirms what we already know in as much as linux has a long way to > > go but shouldn't be discounted as a viable solution en

Re: [SLUG] [pjtraynor@eircom.net: Anyone care to read this!]

2004-04-20 Thread James Gray
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:22 pm, Shaun Oliver wrote: > just thought I'd forward this on. > from the snipit I read, > it confirms what we already know in as much as linux has a long way to > go but shouldn't be discounted as a viable solution entirely. > > - Forwarded message from "Paul J. Traynor"

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2004-04-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:22:28PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > just thought I'd forward this on. > > - Forwarded message from "Paul J. Traynor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > Despite my very positive first impressions, I couldn't get XYZ to work > with my sound card at all, even though I was

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2004-04-20 Thread Shaun Oliver
just thought I'd forward this on. from the snipit I read, it confirms what we already know in as much as linux has a long way to go but shouldn't be discounted as a viable solution entirely. - Forwarded message from "Paul J. Traynor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:42:26