Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-08 Thread Terry Collins
Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Terry Collins Note: Larger companies that can fulfill the difficult requirements may contract (or employ) experts in the field to do the actual work. Not to mention the market-building effects of a move like this. Note may. Usually they build up

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Terry Collins IBM, Sun, Novell, HP, ??? Note that only one of these companies can provide everything listed in the tender. :-) - Jeff -- GNOME Boston Summit October 9-11, 2004 When you're running, you want to run as far as you can, and you

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-08 Thread Terry Collins
Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Terry Collins IBM, Sun, Novell, HP, ??? Note that only one of these companies can provide everything listed in the tender. :-) Really? Would you care to say which one you think can do it? Hint, they are all *nix competent companies and they have all done

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Terry Collins IBM, Sun, Novell, HP, ??? Note that only one of these companies can provide everything listed in the tender. :-) Really? Would you care to say which one you think can do it? Hint, they are all *nix competent companies and they have all done major tenders in

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-08 Thread Pia Smith
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 09:39, Craige McWhirter wrote: On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 06:03 +1000, Pia Smith wrote: put together a panel of who would be appropriate. It might be a good time to get together, look at all the requirements and put together a matrix of skills in NSW. We already have a

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-08 Thread Bruce Badger
From: Pia Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 09:39, Craige McWhirter wrote: put together a panel of who would be appropriate. It might be a good time to get together, look at all the requirements and

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread Ben de Luca
Do you think that being on the committee might give you a extra value from what is offered? With more members coming in is 100x times going to change to 10x? I saw the cost is around $20 a year? so open skills has brought you 2000? the time spent doing what ever you need to do with openskills

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread Stuart Guthrie
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 21:07, Ben de Luca wrote: Do you think that being on the committee might give you a extra value from what is offered? Some extra value yes. Some of the work has come from meeting other members. With more members coming in is 100x times going to change to 10x? The

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread Bruce Badger
__ From: Ben de Luca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: SLUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:07:59 +1000 Do you think that being on the committee might give you a extra value from

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread O Plameras
Terry Collins wrote: In this case, they were satisfying for me, aka not of interest yet. Phrases like; guarantee any legal liability only ten provide all services retraining resellers etc. It is a big fish market for overseas owned companies. And the

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread Ben de Luca
The RFT looks like they are trying to source primes to handle large projects. With out having to requiring companies to rebid on every project. I have dealt with a few larger government contracts and I cant see the expertise in the community around slug to be able to fulfill the requirements

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Ben de Luca The RFT looks like they are trying to source primes to handle large projects. With out having to requiring companies to rebid on every project. I have dealt with a few larger government contracts and I cant see the expertise in the community around slug to be able to

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread Ben de Luca
Absolutely, I seem to get the impression that a number of people are considering trying to reply to the tender. Note: Larger companies that can fulfill the difficult requirements may contract (or employ) experts in the field to do the actual work. Not to mention the market-building effects of

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread Terry Collins
Jeff Waugh wrote: ...snip Note: Larger companies that can fulfill the difficult requirements may contract (or employ) experts in the field to do the actual work. Not to mention the market-building effects of a move like this. Note may. Usually they build up inhouse teams. And the

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Terry Collins Note: Larger companies that can fulfill the difficult requirements may contract (or employ) experts in the field to do the actual work. Not to mention the market-building effects of a move like this. Note may. Usually they build up inhouse teams. You're being

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread O Plameras
Jeff Waugh wrote: You're being amazingly defeatist, Terry. The better news are that Enrtrepeneurs, and Linux Specialist/Professionals/Practioneers together will benefit in no uncertain terms doing what each do best with the former planning, directing, and controlling, and the latter getting on

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread Dave Airlie
Note may. Usually they build up inhouse teams. try building up an inhouse team of Linux/OSS people it's a dreadful job, I'm the Linux person in my company and we use Linux in a wide range of things, It took ages to get someone to take over some of what I do, and finding anymore good Linux

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread Bruce Badger
Further to Pia's announcement of the meeting about the NSW tender next week: The venue: ACS NSW offices Level 4, 122 Castlereagh Street Sydney NSW 2000 Ph. 02 9261 4411 Time: 14:00 - 15:30 Thursday 14th Oct 2004 -- Make the most of your skills - with

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-07 Thread O Plameras
Dave Airlie wrote: try building up an inhouse team of Linux/OSS people it's a dreadful job, I'm the Linux person in my company and we use Linux in a wide range of things, It took ages to get someone to take over some of what I do, and finding anymore good Linux developers is quite a pita.. it took

[SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Pia Smith
Hi all, I was thinking that it would be a good idea to have an open discussion about this tender. I know a few people have already been taling about it. All that has come out thus far is essentially a call to participate, referencing what skillsets the government are looking for, and trying to

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 06:03 +1000, Pia Smith wrote: put together a panel of who would be appropriate. It might be a good time to get together, look at all the requirements and put together a matrix of skills in NSW. We already have a few directories online: Sounds like OpenSkills -

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Taryn East
admittedly i haven't been following this conversation but... Openskills you have to pay for... I find this a big turnoff and it's highly unlikely that I'd join. Cheers, Taryn * Craige McWhirter [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 06:03 +1000, Pia Smith wrote: put

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 10:11 +1000, Taryn East wrote: admittedly i haven't been following this conversation but... Openskills you have to pay for... I find this a big turnoff and it's highly unlikely that I'd join. Do you mind me asking - what aspect of paying AUD 20 / year you find a

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Taryn East Openskills you have to pay for... I find this a big turnoff and it's highly unlikely that I'd join. SLUG is more expensive to join than OpenSkills. ;-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australia http://lca2005.linux.org.au/ Stupidity is used to run

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Taryn East
* Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: quote who=Taryn East Openskills you have to pay for... I find this a big turnoff and it's highly unlikely that I'd join. SLUG is more expensive to join than OpenSkills. ;-) yeah, but you don't have to pay for SLUG to take advantage of most of

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Terry Collins
Taryn East wrote: admittedly i haven't been following this conversation but... Openskills you have to pay for... Which isn't a problem if an old slugger can post the value of work they have received from being listed in it. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} email: terryc at woa.com.au www:

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 11:25 +1000, Terry Collins wrote: Taryn East wrote: admittedly i haven't been following this conversation but... Openskills you have to pay for... Which isn't a problem if an old slugger can post the value of work they have received from being listed in it.

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Bruce Badger
Taryn wrote: Openskills you have to pay for... I find this a big turnoff and it's highly unlikely that I'd join. We know that some people feel this way, but OpenSkills does provide a number of hosted services, and these do need to be paid for. An alternative would be to look for advertising

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Howard Lowndes
Would someone mind going back a pace or two and telling the country cousins just what this tender meeting is supposed to be about. On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 06:03, Pia Smith wrote: Hi all, I was thinking that it would be a good idea to have an open discussion about this tender. I know a few

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread O Plameras
Howard Lowndes wrote: Would someone mind going back a pace or two and telling the country cousins just what this tender meeting is supposed to be about. Right, more info will assist clarify. Some relevant links: ttp://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0%2C261733%2C39161207%2C00.htm

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread David
Is it only me that finds URL's are an unsatisfying answer to a question? On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, O Plameras wrote: Howard Lowndes wrote: Would someone mind going back a pace or two and telling the country cousins just what this tender meeting is supposed to be about. Right, more info

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Stuart Guthrie
Hi Taryn In terms of earnings from being associated with OpenSkills I'd say it's been much more than 100 x the cost of annual membership for me. These opportunities would not have surfaced had I not been a member. Other members have similar stories. Now that the skillsbase is up and running,

Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting

2004-10-06 Thread Terry Collins
David wrote: Is it only me that finds URL's are an unsatisfying answer to a question? In this case, they were satisfying for me, aka not of interest yet. Phrases like; guarantee any legal liability only ten provide all services retraining resellers