Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Howard Lowndes
On Tue, May 2, 2006 10:05, Benno wrote: > On Tue May 02, 2006 at 09:46:58 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > I just really doubt that a feature which is so difficult to use and > can mean losing all you data if you forget a key or password is going > to be enabled by default for home PCs -- of cou

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Benno wrote: > I'll buy you a beer Cool. I look forward to it. > Is it that bad if people are running Linux inside a virtual machine > running on windows anyway? I don't mind if they can. I do mind of thats the only way of having Linux and 'doze running on the same machine. > But I guess that

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Benno
On Tue May 02, 2006 at 09:46:58 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: >Benno wrote: > >> But Bitlocker is a piece of software you have to first install and >> then turn on, not something that comes installed and enabled on the >> machine when you buy it. > >The vast majority of machines sold in the wes

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 09:32:08AM +1000, Benno wrote: > There is no reason I can see, in theory, why you couldn't > > 1/ Turn off TPM boot > 2/ Install linux > 3/ Turn TPM back on checksum-ing the new bootloader. > > But yeah, I have only really had a brief look at the TPM > documentation, it m

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Benno wrote: > But Bitlocker is a piece of software you have to first install and > then turn on, not something that comes installed and enabled on the > machine when you buy it. The vast majority of machines sold in the western world come with windows pre-installed. > There is no reason I can s

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Benno
On Mon May 01, 2006 at 22:46:12 +0930, Glen Turner wrote: >Benno wrote: > >>BitLocker is software. It uses the TPM hardware to verify the boot >>process. (I'm trying to get more information on that.) > >Hi Benno, > >Verifying the boot process is exactly the problem. > >Let's buy a machine, say it

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Malcolm V
On Monday 01 May 2006 23:16, Glen Turner wrote: > Let's buy a machine, say it comes with Windows installed and > the "bitlocked" feature on. It seems almost certain that Bitlocker will behave as you state, though the documentation is unclear whether the boot loader is part of the Bitlocker che

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Glen Turner
Benno wrote: BitLocker is software. It uses the TPM hardware to verify the boot process. (I'm trying to get more information on that.) Hi Benno, Verifying the boot process is exactly the problem. Let's buy a machine, say it comes with Windows installed and the "bitlocked" feature on. Now le

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-29 Thread Benno
On Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 14:20:28 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Benno: >> On Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 20:18:15 +1000, Malcolm V wrote: >> >On Friday 28 April 2006 19:55, Adam Bogacki wrote: >> > >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/27/schneier_infosec/ > >Getting back to the topic, I believe that

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-28 Thread Howard Lowndes
On Sat, April 29, 2006 14:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Benno: >> On Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 20:18:15 +1000, Malcolm V wrote: >> >On Friday 28 April 2006 19:55, Adam Bogacki wrote: >> > >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/27/schneier_infosec/

[SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-28 Thread telford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Benno: > On Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 20:18:15 +1000, Malcolm V wrote: > >On Friday 28 April 2006 19:55, Adam Bogacki wrote: > > > >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/27/schneier_infosec/ > > > >Call me cynical (or stupid), but software cannot offer hard

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-28 Thread Benno
On Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 20:39:36 +1000, Kevin Saenz wrote: >There is an indepth article that states that it will be impossible to >install linux on a machine that has vista on it. Where? This seems like FUD. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/security/bittech.mspx talks about lock the

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-28 Thread Benno
On Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 20:18:15 +1000, Malcolm V wrote: >On Friday 28 April 2006 19:55, Adam Bogacki wrote: > >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/27/schneier_infosec/ > >Call me cynical (or stupid), but software cannot offer hardware based >encryption. Sure, a piece of software can make use of

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-28 Thread Benno
On Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 20:42:59 +1000, Kevin Saenz wrote: >also the article states > >This encryption technology also has the effect of frustrating the >exchange of data needed in a dual boot system. "You could look at >BitLocker as anti-Linux because it frustrates dual boot," Schneier told >El

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-28 Thread Kevin Saenz
also the article states This encryption technology also has the effect of frustrating the exchange of data needed in a dual boot system. "You could look at BitLocker as anti-Linux because it frustrates dual boot," Schneier told El Reg. On Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 20:09:25 +1000, Kevin Saenz wrote:

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-28 Thread Kevin Saenz
There is an indepth article that states that it will be impossible to install linux on a machine that has vista on it. I'm wondering how they plan to do that? Are they going to encrypt the MBR? I think this is FUD from microsoft again. They are planning on encrypting the drive that windows re

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-28 Thread Malcolm V
On Friday 28 April 2006 19:55, Adam Bogacki wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/27/schneier_infosec/ Call me cynical (or stupid), but software cannot offer hardware based encryption. Sure, a piece of software can make use of hardware based features, as can other pieces of software. (

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-28 Thread Benno
On Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 20:09:25 +1000, Kevin Saenz wrote: >I'm wondering how they plan to do that? Are they going to encrypt the >MBR? I think this is FUD from microsoft again. They are planning on >encrypting the drive that windows resides on. I don't know if it's going >to effect the MBR, or a

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-28 Thread Kevin Saenz
I'm wondering how they plan to do that? Are they going to encrypt the MBR? I think this is FUD from microsoft again. They are planning on encrypting the drive that windows resides on. I don't know if it's going to effect the MBR, or all partitions on the harddrive. Apparently they are planning

[SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-28 Thread Adam Bogacki
Fyi, Adam. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/27/schneier_infosec/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html