Fwd: Re: Little OT but about MS only shop WAS Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-02-01 Thread Mark Canavan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Using Konqueror set your browser identification to IE 5.5 on Win2k works fine in this instance. OSX is supported on lots of banking sites these days and the Apple Safari browser uses the same HTML rendering engine as Konqueror. You can do a similar

Re: Little OT but about MS only shop WAS Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-30 Thread Rick Welykochy
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, David Uzzell wrote: Someone should tell some of these companies there is an EVER growing user who are no longer using MS products! The worst I have seen is this one! http://www.waterways.com.au/netscape.asp which comes up when you enter http://www.waterways.com.au

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-28 Thread Steve Kowalik
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:22:14 +1100, Jamie Wilkinson uttered I'm damn sure I have no java support on my laptop and I use CBA netbank at least twice a week. On any Linux machine I use for netbank, it is Java-less, and I've experienced no problems at all. --

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-27 Thread Russell Davie
hmm... gtop reports on this box, the java_vm needed 745272k to access CBA netbank account and with java off, CBA netbank still worked! Cool! now to adjust my laptop... thanks This one time, at band camp, Rick Welykochy wrote: One final note: THAT BANK is about the only bank that seems to

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-26 Thread Crossfire
Rick Welykochy was once rumoured to have said: On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Crossfire wrote: As for those who are speaking out against Java, if you seriously think that C is a better alternative for writing reliable/robust applications, I suggest you toddle off and have your head examined. Part of

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-26 Thread Rick Welykochy
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Crossfire wrote: Compared to Perl, Java is an insecure platform that does *not* reach its goal of write once run anywhere. Perl can do this admirably. And securely. *cackle* You think Perl is a Java competitor? I haven't laughed quite so hard in a while.

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-26 Thread Crossfire
Rick Welykochy was once rumoured to have said: On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Crossfire wrote: Compared to Perl, Java is an insecure platform that does *not* reach its goal of write once run anywhere. Perl can do this admirably. And securely. *cackle* You think Perl is a Java

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-25 Thread Crossfire
Rick Welykochy was once rumoured to have said: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Simon Males wrote: Yeah Java is more secure, but boy does it love chewing you CPU and memory in the process... just to find out that your bank has invented another bank fee. Can you explain to the list how a

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-25 Thread ksaenz
I have the same problem with Java as I have with flash, when it comes to the webs. If you don't have java/flash enabled on your browser at times you are limited, to where you can go because of bad web development. When you have the plugins enabled you have to wait for the useless application and

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-25 Thread Rick Welykochy
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Crossfire wrote: As for those who are speaking out against Java, if you seriously think that C is a better alternative for writing reliable/robust applications, I suggest you toddle off and have your head examined. Part of Java's charm is that it is harder to write code

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-25 Thread Rick Welykochy
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, ksaenz wrote: Sun just marketed Java badly it could have killed c/c++, and most other languages, due to it's portability. This is just me and I think java had it's day. Perl rules Java could never kill C/C++. The latter are low-level programming languages that generate

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-25 Thread Brad Kowalczyk
ksaenz wrote: This is just me and I think java had it's day. Perl rules ;) And Perl hasn't had it's day (on the web)? :P cheers, Brad -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Little OT but about MS only shop WAS Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-24 Thread David Uzzell
Grant Parnell wrote: Trust me on this, call back and bluff your way through saying you're running Windows 98. Might take several calls and you'll need to try to hold off identifying yourself. Also, for the sake of the thread, StGeorge also use Java.. at least I think they're slightly more

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-24 Thread John Nicholls
Kevin Saenz wrote: Sadly I had no resolve. Are most commonwealth bank support people this brain dead? :) I don't know if it's still the case, but some years ago Commonwealth Bank support was outsourced to a company which provided minimal training to the support staff. The staff weren't brain

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-23 Thread Ken Foskey
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 15:09, Kevin Saenz wrote: [Support person] So you are using Windows XP? Try not fighting it so much... meDo You support Linux? [Support] Huh??? meHang on going to another computer, yes XP. When you get the point of windows only simply start answering yes and try and get

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-23 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 07:03:41PM +1100, Ken Foskey wrote: Note: When they say reboot tell them to hang on and wait a little while That's when I go and refill the coffee. g - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs:

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-23 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Rick Welykochy wrote: One final note: THAT BANK is about the only bank that seems to require a Java client. I'm damn sure I have no java support on my laptop and I use CBA netbank at least twice a week. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-23 Thread Paul Forrester
I don't have a commonwealth bank account but earlier today I was sent 4 scam emails that looked like official comm bank emails asking me to confirm my userid and password.. On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 20:22, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Rick Welykochy wrote: One final note:

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-23 Thread Simon Males
Yeah Java is more secure, but boy does it love chewing you CPU and memory in the process... just to find out that your bank has invented another bank fee. Can you explain to the list how a client-side application (Java) can be considered more secure that a server-side application (CGI)

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-23 Thread ksaenz
Java sux. Wasn't java used by Dinosours and went extint with them? ;) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-23 Thread mlh
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:53:26 +1100 (EST) Rick Welykochy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you explain to the list how a client-side application (Java) can be considered more secure that a server-side application (CGI) running on the web server? The former can theoretically rip into your machine

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-23 Thread Shaun Oliver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 kevin, unfortunately this is not just limited to the banks. I called optus tech support a week or so ago because we were having no end of problems with connecting to the internet and all, I was asked to go to my network places and promptly told the

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-23 Thread Grant Parnell
Trust me on this, call back and bluff your way through saying you're running Windows 98. Might take several calls and you'll need to try to hold off identifying yourself. Also, for the sake of the thread, StGeorge also use Java.. at least I think they're slightly more receptive saying they

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-23 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Sat, 2004-01-24 at 11:13, Grant Parnell wrote: I also use ANZ, javascript/http/https, works real nice. Yeah, they're not bad. Pretty clean. One of the better (in terms of the requirements of this thread) online banking interfaces I've seen globally. Also for completeness, despite the above

[SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-22 Thread Kevin Saenz
Well this is my little story. I logged on to netbanking to check my accounts java popped up with a verisign issue. So I decided to call commonwealth bank. This is what I get. [Support person] So you are using Windows XP? [me] No, I'm using Linux [Support person] Can you open up My Computer? [me]

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-22 Thread DaZZa
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Kevin Saenz wrote: [Support person] So you are using Windows XP? [me] No, I'm using Linux [Support person] Can you open up My Computer? [me] I am not using windows I am using Linux. [Support person] Can you spell the operating system you are using? [me] Linux,

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-22 Thread Rick Welykochy
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Kevin Saenz wrote: [Support person] We don't support that operating system and the version of java you are using needs to be updated. [me] thanks that helped me a lot bye. Sadly I had no resolve. Are most commonwealth bank support people this brain dead? :) You are

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-22 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Kevin Saenz wrote: Well this is my little story. I logged on to netbanking to check my accounts java popped up with a verisign issue. So I decided to call commonwealth bank. This is what I get. I'm using cba netbank without java... what if you disable it? -- [EMAIL

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-22 Thread Simon Males
Well this is my little story. I logged on to netbanking to check my accounts java popped up with a verisign issue. So I decided to call commonwealth bank. This is what I get. I'm using cba netbank without java... what if you disable it? I think there is only java based ads in CBA. Yeah Java is

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-22 Thread Nick Wilcox
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:09:43 +1100, Kevin Saenz wrote Well this is my little story. I logged on to netbanking to check my accounts java popped up with a verisign issue. One of the intermediate signing certificates in Verisign's chain expired earlier this month. The applet should still be

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-22 Thread Rick Welykochy
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Simon Males wrote: Yeah Java is more secure, but boy does it love chewing you CPU and memory in the process... just to find out that your bank has invented another bank fee. Can you explain to the list how a client-side application (Java) can be considered more secure

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-22 Thread Rick Welykochy
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Nick Wilcox wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:09:43 +1100, Kevin Saenz wrote Well this is my little story. I logged on to netbanking to check my accounts java popped up with a verisign issue. One of the intermediate signing certificates in Verisign's chain expired

Re: [SLUG] Who has spoken to Commonwealth bank Tech support?

2004-01-22 Thread James Gray
Rick Welykochy wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Simon Males wrote: Yeah Java is more secure, but boy does it love chewing you CPU and memory in the process... just to find out that your bank has invented another bank fee. Can you explain to the list how a client-side application (Java) can be