Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-13 Thread Rodos
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Ian Tester wrote: > SLUG, Would this be more appropiate on slug-chat? I haven't checked that > out yet. Are there any rules/guildines/recommendations for slug-chat yet? http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug-chat Not really IMHO because its on topic. Its about Linux or some

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-13 Thread Ian Tester
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Peter Faulks wrote: > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:56:17 +1100 (EST), Ian Tester wrote: > > >No thanks, I'm turned off Qmail now from what I've heard about the author. > > I'm intrigued. What have you heard? Oh, nothing specific. It's not like I have inside information about a s

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-13 Thread Peter Faulks
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:56:17 +1100 (EST), Ian Tester wrote: >No thanks, I'm turned off Qmail now from what I've heard about the author. I'm intrigued. What have you heard? Regards -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listi

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-12 Thread Steve Kowalik
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:02:04AM +1100, Crossfire uttered: > Rev Simon Rumble was once rumoured to have said: > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:26:22AM +1100, Jeff Waugh uttered: > > > > > I'm looking for other avenues before using qmail-pop3d, as I'm not fond of > > > the license, and for various

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-12 Thread Steve Kowalik
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:26:22AM +1100, Jeff Waugh uttered: > > > > I thought that the server daemons were really nice, but all the > > IMAP _clients_ sucked... > > Heh. They're getting better. > > Slowly. > > > What's the problem? Doesn't it compile without the rest of the qmail > > stuff

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > What happens when the Debian Way and the Bernstein Way collide? > > Simple. But then why would you want to use a non-free MTA when there > are plenty of worthy free ones around? It was kind of a rhetorical question... Would I ever? ;) [ If you read it like it was the intro to a 50's B th

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Ian Tester
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Crossfire wrote: > Yes, but qmail does other incrediably stupid/evil things, like > breaking down multiple recipiant envelopes - which zmailer, exim and > postfix don't do - but I've already iterated over these arguments > before. My peeve with Qmail (apart from the stupid l

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Dean Hamstead
Exim is cool as. www,exim.org. crossfires persistance in bagging qmail is amusing though. However the joy of opensource is choice. (be it license, theory of implementation, debianization etc) I think its silly to bitch about qmail's non-gpl license. (personally im more a fan of BSD's freedom, a

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Crossfire
Jason Rennie was once rumoured to have said: > > Sendmail might no be the answer for most people, but qmail is hardly > > the answer for anybody when we have exim, postfix and zmailer out > > there too, all of which [to the best of my knowledge] behave far > > better than qmail. > > Actaully i no

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Jason Rennie
> Sendmail might no be the answer for most people, but qmail is hardly > the answer for anybody when we have exim, postfix and zmailer out > there too, all of which [to the best of my knowledge] behave far > better than qmail. Actaully i noticed they behaved far worse. Of course that was simple

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 09:54:32AM +1100, Jeff Waugh uttered: > > > > What you mean there's a way of doing things that isn't the Bernstein > > Way? Wash your mouth out with soap son! 8) > > What happens when the Debian Way and the Bernstein Way collide? > > [ Other than the requisite debian-d

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Crossfire
Rev Simon Rumble was once rumoured to have said: > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:26:22AM +1100, Jeff Waugh uttered: > > > I'm looking for other avenues before using qmail-pop3d, as I'm not fond of > > the license, and for various reasons I'd prefer something supported by my > > distribution. > > Wh

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Err... why not just use vpopmail (from the same people who wrote > Courier-IMAP) - www.inter7.com :) Note: I don't run qmail. > It's fantastic - will also auth from MySQL etc... very funky. I can't help but giggle at the thought of add-on MySQL authorisation being either 'fantastic' or 'fun

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
> What you mean there's a way of doing things that isn't the Bernstein > Way? Wash your mouth out with soap son! 8) What happens when the Debian Way and the Bernstein Way collide? [ Other than the requisite debian-devel flame war? ] - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Umar Goldeli
Err... why not just use vpopmail (from the same people who wrote Courier-IMAP) - www.inter7.com :) It's fantastic - will also auth from MySQL etc... very funky. //umar. > > > > I thought that the server daemons were really nice, but all the > > IMAP _clients_ sucked... > > Heh. They're gett

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:26:22AM +1100, Jeff Waugh uttered: > I'm looking for other avenues before using qmail-pop3d, as I'm not fond of > the license, and for various reasons I'd prefer something supported by my > distribution. What you mean there's a way of doing things that isn't the Bernst

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
> I thought that the server daemons were really nice, but all the > IMAP _clients_ sucked... Heh. They're getting better. Slowly. > What's the problem? Doesn't it compile without the rest of the qmail > stuff? I'm looking for other avenues before using qmail-pop3d, as I'm not fond of the li

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Colin Humphreys
The latest versions of Courier-imap has pop and imap support (ssl versions as well), so that is the only daemon you need... -Colin Jeff Waugh wrote: > > *sigh* > > It seems odd that whilst almost everyone in "I don't have my own hosted > domain" land require IMAP or POP3, just about all of the

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-11 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 03:39:05PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > It seems odd that whilst almost everyone in "I don't have my own hosted > domain" land require IMAP or POP3, just about all of the daemons operating > with these protocols suck. On with the question... I thought that the server daemons

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Have you looked at Cucipop? I've used Cucipop to great effect on non-Maildir systems. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://linux.conf.au/ -- ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - ht

Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-10 Thread Anthony Rumble
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: > It seems odd that whilst almost everyone in "I don't have my own hosted > domain" land require IMAP or POP3, just about all of the daemons operating > with these protocols suck. On with the question... > > I'm quite impressed with the Courier IMAP server,

[SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

2001-02-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
*sigh* It seems odd that whilst almost everyone in "I don't have my own hosted domain" land require IMAP or POP3, just about all of the daemons operating with these protocols suck. On with the question... I'm quite impressed with the Courier IMAP server, and how Maildirs are running on my system