Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-09-01 Thread olivier jeannel
Sarcasm transfered pretty well my friend :) Le 01/09/2014 09:10, Tim Leydecker a écrit : > On 08/30/14 13:23, Tim Leydecker wrote: >> I really like the concept of making monthly payments >> the prime and only option for earning your access to something. .. >> It´s genius. >> >> No more pressure.

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-09-01 Thread Tim Leydecker
> On 08/30/14 13:23, Tim Leydecker wrote: >> I really like the concept of making monthly payments >> the prime and only option for earning your access to something. .. >> It´s genius. >> >> No more pressure. >> >> Just one more nail to the coffin. English is not my mother´s tongue. I am not sure

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-31 Thread Oscar Juarez
And PLE doesn't include the features of NukeX On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Andy Goehler wrote: > On Aug 31, 2014, at 15:00, Tim Leydecker wrote: > > P.S: In terms of license options and entry level fees, I´m no fan of the > foundry. > I can´t justify having a nuke or even nukeX license ju

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-31 Thread Andy Goehler
On Aug 31, 2014, at 15:00, Tim Leydecker wrote: > P.S: In terms of license options and entry level fees, I´m no fan of the > foundry. > I can´t justify having a nuke or even nukeX license just for dabbling with it > on > my home/dev/tests machine. PLE

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-31 Thread Jason S
On 08/30/14 13:23, Tim Leydecker wrote: I really like the concept of making monthly payments the prime and only option for earning your access to something. Well, say over a 5 year period, 185 (monthly) * 12 * 5 = 11,100

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-31 Thread Eric Turman
I agree that subscriptions suck for a number of reasons, Not the least of which is that it is a nightmare for the IT guy to install on the CC farm for instance. However, I've changed my perspective and attitude since my last email (not for the reasons certain individuals may indulge their egos for.

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-31 Thread Tim Leydecker
In terms of development initiative, leaving the phasing out of softimage aside, i see indications for the opposite. It "feels" like there´s a new leap forward in the industry. Even if many of these leaps may not have their origin at Autodesk, they are embracing those developments and put them in

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-31 Thread Sebastien Sterling
i feel the only reason AD has to use this model is that they where too greedy, they bought up all the software in the industry hoping to create a monopoly and only found out later what a fucking stupid idea that is dev cost wise. The cost of developing all these packages is unsustainable. So now th

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-31 Thread Tim Leydecker
Brooding about this thing more. I had mentioned before how I like the Unreal Engine license model approach which let´s you postpone investment if you are willing to freeze yourself temporarily to the last built you had access to before "putting your version updates on hold", stepping out of your

RE: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-30 Thread Angus Davidson
I might be wrong but i was getting a very much force people onto the latest version vibe from that interview. Which may very well work for Autocad, but it sure as hell isnt going to work for Max and Maya. That model isn't working very well for Adobe as any user of After Effects will tell you. I

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-30 Thread Mats Bertil Tegner
On 2014-08-30 19:53, Phil Harbath wrote: I think it is included with Houdini, is it not. Yes, the first year Annual Upgrade Plan is included in the price: http://www.sidefx.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=385&Itemid=190 Mats

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-30 Thread Martin Yara
Wait, what is this "399" ? Is it somewhat official ? US$? euros? Last time I checked, current Maya rental service was $185. In Japan it is $300+ though. I kinda like the idea of a rental system IF we have access to all previous versions (or at least more than 3) with a reasonable price. Well, I

RE: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-30 Thread Phil Harbath
I think it is included with Houdini, is it not. -Original Message- From: "Luc-Eric Rousseau" Sent: ‎8/‎30/‎2014 1:01 PM To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" Subject: Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Sebastien Ste

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-30 Thread Tim Leydecker
I really like the concept of making monthly payments the prime and only option for earning your access to something. It works great for cabletv, your landline, internet access, gas, water, the rent, healthcare, insurances, the works. In a way, even citizenship is granted on the basis of being ex

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-30 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Sebastien Sterling wrote: >> But they don't. > > They don't even seem to get how subscription works currently > > Back when i bought softimage 2013 it cost 3700 with vat stand alone, i > checked how much it would cost to buy with subscription, an extra 1500 > dolla

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-30 Thread Perry Harovas
tween Autodesk and adobe. For $49 you get >> everything that adobe makes. Most people can afford that. With Autodesk >> it’s more like having another car payment, which most people cannot afford. >> >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-30 Thread Sebastien Sterling
g another car payment, which most people cannot afford. > > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Sebastien Sterling > *Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2014 4:37 PM > > *To:* softimage@listpr

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-30 Thread Perry Harovas
image-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Francois Lord > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 3:39 PM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses > > Uhmm, isn't it the opposite? > If you can skip the big purchase pri

RE: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-30 Thread Sam Bowling
...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sebastien Sterling Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:37 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses pay 399 per month per license to access your data and functionality, and then pay another 399 a month

RE: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-30 Thread Sam Bowling
alf Of Francois Lord Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 3:39 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses Uhmm, isn't it the opposite? If you can skip the big purchase price and pay by the month, like Adobe did, it's a good opportunity f

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-29 Thread David Gallagher
In the shifting sands of SoftwareAsService, the deal could change at any time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsW9MlYu31g Later the price could increase to 699/mo. Once they own your way of accessing your data, your only choice is to pay in perpetuity. On 8/29/2014 5:36 PM, Sebastien Sterl

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-29 Thread Sebastien Sterling
pay 399 per month per license to access your data and functionality, and then pay another 399 a month later, and do it again and again :) sure... independents are catered to... :P On 30 August 2014 00:32, Sergio Mucino wrote: > It was just a matter of time until Autodesk figured out that softwa

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-29 Thread Sergio Mucino
It was just a matter of time until Autodesk figured out that software is not where the value is, but in the data created with it. Going rental-only has upsides and downsides, and the biggest downside I see is it becomes a very effective way to hold your data hostage. You're forced to pay just go

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-29 Thread Jason S
From Si-Community, quoting  'jonmoore' at C4DCafe.com With upgrades due to be eliminated early next year, next up on Autodesk's chopping block is the perpetual license. Here is the exchange from a recent con

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-29 Thread Francois Lord
Uhmm, isn't it the opposite? If you can skip the big purchase price and pay by the month, like Adobe did, it's a good opportunity for independants and small companies. You can also decide not to pay for 3 months because you are using another software on a specific project. But I doubt Autodesk

Re: Autodesk considering ditching perpetual licenses

2014-08-29 Thread Sebastien Sterling
Well, there go the independents, and the small companies, and any start up companies... all the growth in the industry in other words but fuck it... On 29 August 2014 18:34, Perry Harovas wrote: > Really no surprise here: > > > http://www.cgchannel.com/2014/08/autodesk-considering-ditching-soft