[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Yonik Seeley (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795069#action_12795069 ] Yonik Seeley commented on SOLR-1586: Unlike PointType, it seems odd that a user would

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795070#action_12795070 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- bq. Unlike PointType, it seems odd that a

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Yonik Seeley (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795073#action_12795073 ] Yonik Seeley commented on SOLR-1586: bq. I'm not sure I see how to use a tile for

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795075#action_12795075 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- A tile is not a point. A tile is a box

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Yonik Seeley (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795076#action_12795076 ] Yonik Seeley commented on SOLR-1586: bq. A tile is not a point. Then we're talking past

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795077#action_12795077 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- {quote} A tile can also be viewed as an

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Chris Male (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795081#action_12795081 ] Chris Male commented on SOLR-1586: -- Hi, I'm not entirely clear of the outcome of the

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795087#action_12795087 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- Yep, the user still simply adds a Point to

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Chris Male (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795097#action_12795097 ] Chris Male commented on SOLR-1586: -- The alternatives I'm alluding to are the use of

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795108#action_12795108 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- Do you mean TrieFields (not familiar w/

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Chris Male (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795112#action_12795112 ] Chris Male commented on SOLR-1586: -- Ah yes sorry TrieFields. I don't see searching 2

Re: [jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread patrick o'leary
Hmm, so it's faster to do 2 range searches than use the TermEnumerator to find maybe 4-6 individual CartesianTier id's? I had similar approaches in the past like 2 years ago, that just weren't fast enough, and I've even published comparisons with Trie data types, and find CartesianTier id's

Re: [jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Chris Male
Hi, I had never done any experiments comparing them, that was what I was hoping was going to be explored more and it seems you have done that. Do you have more statistics by chance? Does the difference (which is pretty dramatic) stay a constant ratio as you change the density and/or distances?

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795116#action_12795116 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- bq. I don't see searching 2 fields as a

Re: [jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread patrick o'leary
Afraid I just took a sample set of data that was available to me at my last job, and ran the test. It kind of matched my expectations in terms of locallucene at the time, and what Ure predicted for Trie. To give you an idea of it's performance in production, the bounding box retrieval for a

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Chris Male (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795120#action_12795120 ] Chris Male commented on SOLR-1586: -- If its not something we want to support, then thats

Re: [jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Chris Male
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 8:41 PM, patrick o'leary pj...@pjaol.com wrote: Afraid I just took a sample set of data that was available to me at my last job, and ran the test. It kind of matched my expectations in terms of locallucene at the time, and what Ure predicted for Trie. Do you still

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Yonik Seeley (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795129#action_12795129 ] Yonik Seeley commented on SOLR-1586: bq. My original point was that this aspect of the

Re: [jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread patrick o'leary
Do you still think there would be such a drastic difference in a lower density situation? I think if you bench mark it there will be cross over. It would be difficult to measure at low ms ranges though. If I were a betting person, I think it would be low. Yeah I have looked into hilbert

Re: [jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Dec 29, 2009, at 3:24 PM, patrick o'leary wrote: Threaded distance calculations get you into a pickle with the solr leaf index readers, On a side note, I think the thing to think about here is if there is a way to do threaded function calculations, not just distance calculations.

Re: [jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Dec 29, 2009, at 3:24 PM, patrick o'leary wrote: I'm also going to include tools to visualize this stuff on a map, that's been one of the things that's slowed me down a lot in the past, it was hard to verify what I was doing but recent google map contributions and it's community have made

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795160#action_12795160 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- Sounds good. I'm open to specific

Re: [jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread patrick o'leary
I did a simple KML converter, and used some JS from http://maps.forum.nu/ and geoxml.js by Lance Dyas, and had a version up in running very quickly on google maps. with nothing more than geoxml = new GeoXml(geoXML, map,url,{}); geoxml.parse(); On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Grant Ingersoll

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Yonik Seeley (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795164#action_12795164 ] Yonik Seeley commented on SOLR-1586: bq. Sounds good. I'm open to specific suggestions

Re: [jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-29 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:34 PM, patrick o'leary wrote: I did a simple KML converter, and used some JS from http://maps.forum.nu/ and geoxml.js by Lance Dyas, and had a version up in running very quickly on google maps. with nothing more than geoxml = new GeoXml(geoXML, map,url,{});

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-28 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794818#action_12794818 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- Changed toMultiVS to vector(): Committed

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-28 Thread Yonik Seeley (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794823#action_12794823 ] Yonik Seeley commented on SOLR-1586: bq. How will it be used? bq. It's a common GIS

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-28 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794834#action_12794834 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- There is an example of what goes in the

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-28 Thread Yonik Seeley (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794913#action_12794913 ] Yonik Seeley commented on SOLR-1586: The reason why I was asking about interface

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-28 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794922#action_12794922 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- bq. So it would be really nice if the same

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-28 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12795006#action_12795006 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- Committed revision 894301. Create Spatial

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-27 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794681#action_12794681 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- The DistanceFunctionTest failure is unrelated

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-27 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794682#action_12794682 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- bq. fixed bug about referencing

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-27 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794684#action_12794684 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- The problem w/ the PolyFieldTest is that the

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-27 Thread Yonik Seeley (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794690#action_12794690 ] Yonik Seeley commented on SOLR-1586: bq. One of the interesting things for Cart Tier is

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-27 Thread Chris A. Mattmann (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794693#action_12794693 ] Chris A. Mattmann commented on SOLR-1586: - Hi Grant: bq. What's the bug here? Your

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-27 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794694#action_12794694 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- bq. How will it be used? It's a common GIS

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-27 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794695#action_12794695 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- bq. Of course, StrFieldSource is a private

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-27 Thread Chris A. Mattmann (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794699#action_12794699 ] Chris A. Mattmann commented on SOLR-1586: - bq. No it's not. It's package private. Is

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-26 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794620#action_12794620 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- Should have a CartesianTier field type patch

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-26 Thread Chris Male (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794627#action_12794627 ] Chris Male commented on SOLR-1586: -- Hi Grant, Are you building the CartesianTier field

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-26 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794628#action_12794628 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- For better or worse, yes. It's either that,

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-24 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794415#action_12794415 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- I committed PointType as part of SOLR-1131.

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-24 Thread Chris A. Mattmann (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12794494#action_12794494 ] Chris A. Mattmann commented on SOLR-1586: - Grant: Thanks! +1 on the patch -- I

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-07 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12787113#action_12787113 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- FYI, see the SOLR-1131 for an implementation

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-07 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12787115#action_12787115 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- bq. we should have the ability to output

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-07 Thread Chris A. Mattmann (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12787121#action_12787121 ] Chris A. Mattmann commented on SOLR-1586: - Hey Grant: bq. Ryan can correct me if I

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-07 Thread Chris A. Mattmann (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12787150#action_12787150 ] Chris A. Mattmann commented on SOLR-1586: - bq. FYI, see the SOLR-1131 for an

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-12-07 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12787198#action_12787198 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- Can you put a patch containing just the

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-11-24 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12781945#action_12781945 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- Hey Chris, I'm not sure we want to bring in

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-11-24 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12781973#action_12781973 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- Also, where does this patch actually encode

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-11-24 Thread Chris A. Mattmann (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12781975#action_12781975 ] Chris A. Mattmann commented on SOLR-1586: - Hey Grant: It doesn't encode the

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-11-22 Thread Chris A. Mattmann (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12781172#action_12781172 ] Chris A. Mattmann commented on SOLR-1586: - For reference, I'm going to put up a

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-11-22 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12781193#action_12781193 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- Sounds good, but how are you going to deal

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-11-22 Thread Chris A. Mattmann (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12781202#action_12781202 ] Chris A. Mattmann commented on SOLR-1586: - Hey Grant: bq. Sounds good, but how are

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-11-22 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12781215#action_12781215 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- I'm not sure what good that does to put a

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-11-22 Thread Chris A. Mattmann (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12781247#action_12781247 ] Chris A. Mattmann commented on SOLR-1586: - Good question: I'm not sure what my

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-11-22 Thread Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12781262#action_12781262 ] Grant Ingersoll commented on SOLR-1586: --- I'd say wait until SOLR-1131 is done for

[jira] Commented: (SOLR-1586) Create Spatial Point FieldTypes

2009-11-22 Thread Chris A. Mattmann (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-1586?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12781265#action_12781265 ] Chris A. Mattmann commented on SOLR-1586: - Hey Grant: bq. what you are proposing