From: Andrew Walrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:54:13 +0100
> David Miller wrote:
> >
> > And _NO_ this does mean continuing to say that Sun isn't doing enough
> > to satisfy you, that discourages rather than encourages in case you
> > haven't gotten that message LOUD and CLEAR
David Miller wrote:
>
> The big issue you keep missing in all of your rediculious complaints
> is that it takes a lot of time for a company to invest in future
> potential revenue.
>
> Most of Sun's resources are invested in things that make them money
> right now and keep the lights on at their
From: Andrew Walrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:43:16 +0100
> And I apologise (to everyone) for any unnecessary rhetoric on my part; I
> freely admit that I designed my posts specifically to sparc (ahem) this
> debate, but I guess most of you knew that already ;)
The big issue
Hi David,
David Carlton wrote:
>
> This is true. I'm not sure how many rounds of layoffs we've had over
> the last five years, but there were many, and I'm not completely sure
> that we're done.
>
> It's also true that we're not behaving as well as we should in this
> situation. I've forwarded
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:27:38 -0700, Joe Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Like most tech companies that have seen better days, Sun's been
> cutting costs to the bone; I'm sure that they don't feel rich.
This is true. I'm not sure how many rounds of layoffs we've had over
the last five years, but
David Miller wrote:
> > I have a full rack of Niagara systems that proves that Sun
> > cares to some extent. I get early hardware access and
> > documentation access, plus engineers to talk to and ask
> > questions of.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 06:43:35AM +0100, Andrew Walrond wrote:
> With all du
Andrew Walrond wrote:
David Miller wrote:
From: Andrew Walrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:02:08 +0100
So, Sun really _don't_ give a damn about gnu/linux on sparc64.
That is a gross mischaracterization of the situation, don't
say this, it isn't true at all.
I have a full ra
> That is a gross mischaracterization of the situation, don't
> say this, it isn't true at all.
>
> I have a full rack of Niagara systems that proves that Sun
> cares to some extent.
Right, and I should have said "essentially no direct contributions" to the
SPARC toolchain from Sun. There have b
David Miller wrote:
> From: Andrew Walrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:02:08 +0100
>
>> So, Sun really _don't_ give a damn about gnu/linux on sparc64.
>
> That is a gross mischaracterization of the situation, don't
> say this, it isn't true at all.
>
> I have a full rack of N
On 9/13/07, David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a full rack of Niagara systems that proves that Sun
Can I have one? :) :)
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From: Andrew Walrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:02:08 +0100
> So, Sun really _don't_ give a damn about gnu/linux on sparc64.
That is a gross mischaracterization of the situation, don't
say this, it isn't true at all.
I have a full rack of Niagara systems that proves that Sun
c
Eric Botcazou wrote:
>
> There have been essentially no contributions to the SPARC toolchain by Sun or
> Canonical people over the last few years.
>
So, Sun really _don't_ give a damn about gnu/linux on sparc64.
What a shame; for the first time in years they have a CPU which is
competitive (fo
Chris Newport wrote:
Sunil Amitkumar Janki wrote:
GCC for SPARC is a front end to this compiler, which isn't available
for Linux/SPARC so not really useful at all. If Sun Studio were
available
for GNU/Linux SPARC this front end would probably function the same as
on Solaris, maybe even witho
Sunil Amitkumar Janki wrote:
GCC for SPARC is a front end to this compiler, which isn't available
for Linux/SPARC so not really useful at all. If Sun Studio were available
for GNU/Linux SPARC this front end would probably function the same as
on Solaris, maybe even without any changes at all.
Andrew Walrond wrote:
Andrew Walrond wrote:
David Miller wrote:
That's correct, it's essentially GCC's language front ends
plugged into Sun's compiler backend.
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And presumably is solaris only doesn't work under gnu/linux?
Sorry; that is thinko/typo/horrible. What I actu
Andrew Walrond wrote:
> David Miller wrote:
>> That's correct, it's essentially GCC's language front ends
>> plugged into Sun's compiler backend.
>> -
>
> And presumably is solaris only doesn't work under gnu/linux?
>
Sorry; that is thinko/typo/horrible. What I actually meant:
Presumably the gc
> Sun have some sort of deal with Ubuntu to support the Niagara, don't
> they? Presumably the Canonical people have some developers working on
> (and contributing to) the (sparc64) gnu toolchain and linux kernel as
> part of that deal?
There have been essentially no contributions to the SPARC tool
David Miller wrote:
>
> So no, Sun really isn't helping with any actual development.
>
Sun have some sort of deal with Ubuntu to support the Niagara, don't
they? Presumably the Canonical people have some developers working on
(and contributing to) the (sparc64) gnu toolchain and linux kernel as
David Miller wrote:
>
> That's correct, it's essentially GCC's language front ends
> plugged into Sun's compiler backend.
> -
And presumably is solaris only doesn't work under gnu/linux?
Andrew Walrond
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From: Sunil Amitkumar Janki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:16:00 +0200
> As far as I know, GCC for SPARC appears to be a front end
> to the Sun Studio compiler which happens to translate GCC
> flags to ones suitable for their own compiler.
That's correct, it's essentially GCC's lan
Lijuan Hai wrote:
Maybe you would find what you want at the following URL:
http://www.sun.com/download/products.xml?id=46448222
gccfss means 'GCC for SPARC System'
2007/9/12, Andrew Walrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I have to make buying decisions, and having tested a Sun T1000 for a
while I am
Maybe you would find what you want at the following URL:
http://www.sun.com/download/products.xml?id=46448222
gccfss means 'GCC for SPARC System'
2007/9/12, Andrew Walrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I have to make buying decisions, and having tested a Sun T1000 for a
> while I am impressed with Suns
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Andrew Walrond wrote:
David Miller wrote:
So no, Sun really isn't helping with any actual development.
I don't know what to say. Incredible work David, but quite frankly, I'm
speechless.
I'm sure I can't be the only hardware purchaser asking these questions.
I really l
Andrew Walrond wrote:
>
> I'm trying to conceive a valid business reason for Sun to be so
> dismissive of the (surely massive?) gnu/linux hardware market, (even if
> they would rather we used Solaris), but it eludes me completely.
They are putting a lot of effort into linux on Intel and AMD. 18 y
David Miller wrote:
>
> So no, Sun really isn't helping with any actual development.
>
I don't know what to say. Incredible work David, but quite frankly, I'm
speechless.
I'm sure I can't be the only hardware purchaser asking these questions.
I really like the Niagra and the successors sound ev
From: Andrew Walrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:37:03 +0100
> I have to make buying decisions, and having tested a Sun T1000 for a
> while I am impressed with Suns hardware. But, we are 100% gnu/linux and
> it disturbs me that David Miller seems to be a (very impressive) team of
I have to make buying decisions, and having tested a Sun T1000 for a
while I am impressed with Suns hardware. But, we are 100% gnu/linux and
it disturbs me that David Miller seems to be a (very impressive) team of
1 on the sparclinux ML (My impression; perhaps I am wrong?)
So I wonder, is Sun putt
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