Re: [spdx] Chime instead of Zoom, a modest proposal

2020-04-16 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
This would be a good time to note that folks who care about their software freedom cannot effectively participate in SPDX, and not only because the conferencing solution is proprietary software (although in the past I was able to join non-video via a phone number using PSTN line -- this thread

Re: [spdx] Chime instead of Zoom, a modest proposal

2020-04-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Jeremiah C. Foster (2020-04-15 18:57:24) > On Tue, 2020-04-14 at 16:45 -0400, John Sullivan wrote: > > "James Bottomley" writes: > > > > > Well, I'm glad you asked ... so far the most promising fully open > > > trial > > > is this one: > > > > > > https://bigbluebutton.org/ > > > > >

Re: Chime instead of Zoom, a modest proposal

2020-04-14 Thread John Sullivan
"James Bottomley" writes: > Well, I'm glad you asked ... so far the most promising fully open trial > is this one: > > https://bigbluebutton.org/ > Yeah, FSF is running an instance that is being used to successfully teach classes at MIT right now. We'll post more about it soon, but can confirm

Re: Chime instead of Zoom, a modest proposal

2020-04-14 Thread Alexios Zavras
@lists.spdx.org On Behalf Of James Bottomley Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2020 06:35 To: Kyle Mitchell Cc: atwo...@amazon.com; Kate Stewart ; Spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org; s...@lists.spdx.org Subject: Re: Chime instead of Zoom, a modest proposal On Mon, 2020-04-13 at 20:55 -0700, Kyle Mitchell wrote

Re: Chime instead of Zoom, a modest proposal

2020-04-14 Thread Till Jaeger via lists.spdx.org
I have not the technical expertise to judge the security level of the following solution that works with Zoom on Linux: https://www.linux.com/news/how-to-install-and-use-firejail-on-linux/ For some distros like Ubuntu: $ sudo apt install firejail $ sudo ln -s /usr/bin/firejail

Re: Chime instead of Zoom, a modest proposal

2020-04-13 Thread James Bottomley
On Mon, 2020-04-13 at 20:55 -0700, Kyle Mitchell wrote: > Others have more religious affinity for the Linux desktop. Wow that's a blast from the early part of this millenium. Since Linux now runs over 80% of the world's computing resources, I thought we'd got over stigmatizing people who

Re: Chime instead of Zoom, a modest proposal

2020-04-13 Thread Kyle Mitchell
I've used the Linux Zoom client nearly every day for a few weeks now, and less often for several months before that. It's been seamless for all the core talk-and-watch functionality. It does lag a bit behind on lesser features. For example, some of the call-recording options on Windows and Mac

Re: Chime instead of Zoom, a modest proposal

2020-04-13 Thread James Bottomley
On Mon, 2020-04-13 at 20:31 +, Mark Atwood via lists.spdx.org wrote: > Chime has clients for Win, and for Mac, it runs in Browser on Firefox > and on Chrome on all OSes, it has clients for mobile OSes, and also > has local and tollfree telephone dialin in most countries. So no app for Linux

Re: Chime instead of Zoom, a modest proposal

2020-04-13 Thread Kate Stewart
Hi Mark, Thanks for the generous offer. :-) We're not paying for zoom, however I'm definitely up for doing an experiment during our spdx-tech meeting tomorrow, and if it works for the regular attendees, changing to a system with better security. Can you send me the details for the account

Chime instead of Zoom, a modest proposal

2020-04-13 Thread Mark Atwood via lists.spdx.org
Hi Kate and other SPDX folk, We have been using Zoom to provide teleconference for SPDX meetings. In light of recent events, Zoom has gotten very popular, and also been failing many security audits, and so many companies and governments have started banning its use. Amazon has a service