Re: Two Identifiers - no caching advantage

2006-10-22 Thread Martin Atkins
Dick Hardt wrote: On 21-Oct-06, at 10:52 PM, Josh Hoyt wrote: On 10/21/06, Dick Hardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) the RP does not verify the binding between the portable identifier and the IdP-specific identifier in the response. to the one the attacker controls and the IdP has

Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-22 Thread Dick Hardt
On 19-Oct-06, at 10:24 AM, Martin Atkins wrote: Dick Hardt wrote: Agreed that it is desirable to have multiple RP endpoints for an RP. Does openid.realm then uniquely identify an RP? ie. no other RP will use the same Realm? I'd say that if two endpoints are within the same realm that

Re: [PROPOSAL] Handle http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Style Identifiers

2006-10-22 Thread Dick Hardt
On 22-Oct-06, at 11:44 AM, Praveen Alavilli wrote: It's more of a problem with how we can accept 3rd party OpenId users at AOL (we as an RP). Obviously for simple use cases like leaving comments on blogs it wouldn't really matter as long as the user is identified by someone (and someone

RE: [PROPOSAL] Handle http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Style Identifiers

2006-10-22 Thread Recordon, David
While I'd certainly agree that a goal is letting anyone setup and IdP and have it work on any RP, I see that as utopia. The protocol should certainly support that, as well as not do anything to actively thwart it. With that said, OpenID as a protocol can be used in cases where this may not be

RE: Two Identifiers - no caching advantage

2006-10-22 Thread Recordon, David
* Protocol has two distinct identifiers: public and IdP-local. Relying party manages delegation. IdP does not even know that the delegation has taken place and has no way to stop it happening [1]. RP now has to do more work, but identifier portability now comes for free. I'm much more in

Re: [PROPOSAL] Handle http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Style Identifiers

2006-10-22 Thread Kaliya Hamlin
For starters please don't use Comic Sans in professional correspondence. it is very hard to read (or take seriously)  http://bancomicsans.com/home.htmlOn Oct 22, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Praveen Alavilli wrote: It's more of a problem with how we can accept 3rd party OpenId users at AOL (we as an RP).

Re: [PROPOSAL] Handle http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Style Identifiers

2006-10-22 Thread George Fletcher
Dick Hardt wrote: What is different with OpenID vs email is that there is certainty that the user actually is the user. I'm a little confused. How is there certainty that the user actually is the user? The viability of the identifier representing the same user is dependent on the

Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-22 Thread Dick Hardt
On 22-Oct-06, at 12:55 PM, Recordon, David wrote: In the case where there are two realms: http://*.livejournal.com http://dick.livejournal.com I would have my IdP treat them as separate relying parties. If the RP directly decided to set the realm differently, then I'd imagine the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Handle http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Style Identifiers

2006-10-22 Thread Praveen Alavilli
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For starters please don't use Comic Sans in professional correspondence. it is very hard to read (or take seriously)http://bancomicsans.com/home.html On Oct 22, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Praveen Alavilli wrote: It's more of a problem with how we can

Re: [PROPOSAL] Handle http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Style Identifiers

2006-10-22 Thread George Fletcher
Dick Hardt wrote: On 20-Oct-06, at 10:14 AM, George Fletcher wrote: Of course, my expectation is that this syntax would be optional; the user can always specify their full URI identifier. I agree that this kind of an identifier is not portable, but I'm guessing that most users wouldn't

Re: [PROPOSAL] Handle http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Style Identifiers

2006-10-22 Thread Praveen Alavilli
[Please pardon me if I am spamming the spec mailing list with general comments/issues that might have been discussed before] It's not the problem of just making AOL users OpenId enabled, so they can access 3rd party RPs (use http://www.aol.com/loginId or http://aimpages.com/loginId or

Re: [PROPOSAL] Handle http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Style Identifiers

2006-10-22 Thread Dick Hardt
On 22-Oct-06, at 5:05 PM, George Fletcher wrote: Dick Hardt wrote: What is different with OpenID vs email is that there is certainty that the user actually is the user. I'm a little confused. How is there certainty that the user actually is the user? The viability of the identifier

Re: [PROPOSAL] Handle http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Style Identifiers

2006-10-22 Thread Dick Hardt
On 22-Oct-06, at 7:00 PM, George Fletcher wrote: Dick Hardt wrote: With OpenID, there is a presumption the user has selected a trust worthy IdP that will only present the user's identifiers when it really is the user. Doesn't this imply that both the user and RP have to know which IdP's

Re: [PROPOSAL] Handle http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Style Identifiers

2006-10-22 Thread George Fletcher
Dick Hardt wrote: On 22-Oct-06, at 7:00 PM, George Fletcher wrote: Dick Hardt wrote: With OpenID, there is a presumption the user has selected a trust worthy IdP that will only present the user's identifiers when it really is the user. Doesn't this imply that both the user and RP

Re: [PROPOSAL] Handle http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Style Identifiers

2006-10-22 Thread Dick Hardt
On 22-Oct-06, at 9:04 PM, George Fletcher wrote: Dick Hardt wrote: On 22-Oct-06, at 7:00 PM, George Fletcher wrote: Dick Hardt wrote: With OpenID, there is a presumption the user has selected a trust worthy IdP that will only present the user's identifiers when it really is the

Re: [VOTE] Portable Identifier Support Proposal (patch)

2006-10-22 Thread Dick Hardt
-1 for these reasons: Complexity: There is no reason for the RP to be managing the binding between the IdP and the portable identifier. Both the IdP and the RP are verifying this. There is no extra security, and more things to go wrong in an implementation. Privacy: There is no reason for