Re: Spitfire Swing Spring - safety during disassembly

2004-09-14 Thread Nolan Penney
None. The spring is completely relaxed before the axles hang down that far. It's a non issue. >>> "M D "Doc" Nugent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/10/04 10:15PM How much energy is still in the leaf spring when you've jacked up the backend until the axles rest on the frame? *** http://www.team.ne

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring - safety during disassembly

2004-09-10 Thread Reed Mideke
M D "Doc" Nugent wrote: When taking a swing spring off the car and taking it apart, are there safety issues similar to those when removing the front coil springs? How much energy is still in the leaf spring when you've jacked up the backend until the axles rest on the frame? The normal practice is

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring - safety during disassembly

2004-09-10 Thread Andre Rousseau
I never had an issues when removing my spring. If memory serves me well, I removed the spring first then the rest of the rear suspension. I did have the rear supported on jack stands and the body was off making access easy. Oh pointer, it is heavy! A. on 9/10/04 10:15 PM, M D "Doc" Nugent at [

RE: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-09-03 Thread Barry Schwartz
If I remember correctly, the actual length is the same but the spring rate is slightly different - >Part number 159650 for early MkIVs, part number 159654 was introduced at >commission number FH50,000, which was the change point to the long >halfshaft. I don't h

RE: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-09-03 Thread Bill Davies
> -Original Message- > From: Gosling, Richard B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 02 September 2004 17:03 > > Bill, are you sure about the different length springs?? I was under the > impression that the same length spring was used throughout; the Rimmers > catalogue > http://www.rimmerbr

RE: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-09-02 Thread Barry Schwartz
Actually I believe its probably more because the different upright angle also causes actual loading at the hub to be less (longer lever arm) than in its more upright position - (shock loading is also a function of angle vs load) - as the upright deviates outward, less downward pressure is available

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-09-02 Thread ptegler
EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Spitfire Swing Spring > Because when the angle of the upright changes, and you don't change the > length of the pivot points between the spring eye and the hub on the > upri

RE: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-09-02 Thread Bill Davies
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:spitfires- > > How could the length of the axle change the camber, when the hub is > pressed > on to the end? The upright may sit at a different angle, but the angle of > the roadwheel is always 90 degrees off of the angle the axle co

RE: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-09-02 Thread Gosling, Richard B
Barry said: "...Because when the angle of the upright changes, and you don't change the length of the pivot points between the spring eye and the hub on the upright, the axle is at a slightly different position in relation to the road. In effect the axle, when lengthened (which pushes the hub out

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-09-02 Thread Barry Schwartz
Because when the angle of the upright changes, and you don't change the length of the pivot points between the spring eye and the hub on the upright, the axle is at a slightly different position in relation to the road. In effect the axle, when lengthened (which pushes the hub out an inch), shorte

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-09-02 Thread Luke Lewis
How could the length of the axle change the camber, when the hub is pressed on to the end? The upright may sit at a different angle, but the angle of the roadwheel is always 90 degrees off of the angle the axle comes out of the differential (Which, ideally, would be 0). This is also why I think t

RE: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-30 Thread Joe Curry
--Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:13 AM To: M D "Doc" Nugent; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Spitfire Swing Spring DOC... I think you're referring to the roto-flex setup. The swi

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-29 Thread ptegler
PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Spitfire Swing Spring > --- Dave Fain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > . . . The > > shorter axles measure 11" between the U joint yoke > > and the dust shield, the long

RE: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-29 Thread Bob Van Kirk
Daniel, My 79 with 155-80 tires and 26 lbs pressure is exactly 24 1/4 inchs to the top of the arch thru the wheel center but the rear sits down just a bit so might be off a hair. --- Daniel Parrott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've completed my re-build of the front suspension, > using MK

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-29 Thread M D \"Doc\" Nugent
--- Dave Fain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > . . . The > shorter axles measure 11" between the U joint yoke > and the dust shield, the longer ones are 12". . . . I don't doubt you (and I don't have any here to measure), but if the difference in axle length is between the u-joint and dust shield an

RE: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-29 Thread Daniel Parrott
I've completed my re-build of the front suspension, using MKIII front springs to lower the nose. Now that everything is squared away with new tires, I'm curious to see just how much the front end has been lowered. Does anyone out there have the height to the top of the wheel arch for a stock 1979

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-29 Thread Dave Fain
Seems like the different length axles would affect the camber with longer axles contributing to the rear end squat that a lot of Spitfires seem to have. VB lists the same spring part number for 71-80 Spitfire Mk4 1500 and 73 GT6. They do show Spitfire axles changing to the same part number as

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-28 Thread ptegler
The GT6 went back to swing axles on the MKIII post KF2 ('73 model year) cars. previous models had the roto-flex rear axles with only very early MKI's having a shorter swing axle. Paul Tegler [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.teglerizer.com > Just out of curiosity, does anybody know around what commissi

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-28 Thread ZoboHerald
In a message dated 8/28/2004 10:15:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just out of curiosity, does anybody know around what commission number the change took place? My late 1973 GT6 with swing spring definitely has axles that are exactly 1" longer than the 5 or 6 axles I

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-28 Thread Dave Fain
Just out of curiosity, does anybody know around what commission number the change took place? My late 1973 GT6 with swing spring definitely has axles that are exactly 1" longer than the 5 or 6 axles I have in my parts stash. Bummer. Dave >Didn't the longer axles coincide with introduction of >

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-26 Thread doug
No, the longer axles came a few years later. Doug Braun '72 Spit At 10:52 AM 8/26/2004 -0700, M D \"Doc\" Nugent wrote: >Didn't the longer axles coincide with introduction of >the swing spring rear suspension? > >I don't know, but it MAY require axle replacement when >you do the spring swap.

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-26 Thread ZoboHerald
In a message dated 8/26/2004 1:52:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "M D \"Doc\" Nugent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Didn't the longer axles coincide with introduction of >the swing spring rear suspension? = No. Swing-spring introduced for 1971 models. Longer axles introduced for 1973 models.

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-26 Thread M D \"Doc\" Nugent
Didn't the longer axles coincide with introduction of the swing spring rear suspension? I don't know, but it MAY require axle replacement when you do the spring swap. If so, it might be cheaper to get a whole squaretail rearend and swap it as a unit. M D "Doc" Nugent Renton, WA --- Barry Sch

Re: Spitfire Swing Spring

2004-08-26 Thread Barry Schwartz
Yes, just did it to my wife's MK3 Spitfire. I'm not quite sure of what you are referring to about taking the spring apart - If its a true Swing Spring it's made for the plate. The Swing Spring has only five leaves with the second leave wrapping around the eyes of the main leave as opposed to a st