Re: Combustible Concealed Space

2012-12-18 Thread Ron Greenman
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Re: Combustible Concealed Space

2012-12-18 Thread bcasterline
the French invented the System Internationale, and decided MASS would be their ONE. In English, FORCE is ONE. Since pressure is force/area, and force is mass times acceleration, and 'most systems are installed on the Earth', why should sprinks convert? The beauty of multiples of ten is simply

RE: Combustible Concealed Space

2012-12-18 Thread Ed Kramer
In regard to (1): I think the testing/listing of these sprinklers anticipate an obstructed environment. The Tyco's are limited to 10' and 12' max spacing, less than the 15' we're allowed for light and ordinary hazard SSU's and SSP's. I didn't take the time to look at Viking's, but I assume they

Re: Combustible Concealed Space

2012-12-18 Thread bcasterline
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Re: Combustible Concealed Space

2012-12-18 Thread Ron Greenman
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2012-12-18 Thread Ron Greenman
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Re: gasoline storage and transmission fluid

2012-12-18 Thread Greg McGahan
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Re: Combustible Concealed Space

2012-12-18 Thread bcasterline
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Re: gasoline storage and transmission fluid

2012-12-18 Thread Ron Greenman
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Re: Combustible Concealed Space

2012-12-18 Thread Ron Greenman
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2012-12-18 Thread Greg McGahan
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RE: Combustible Concealed Space

2012-12-18 Thread Brad Casterline
fill it (nearly) full of non-comb insulation and tell everyone to have a nice day :) (that still works, right? the insulation i mean) -Original Message- From: rfletc...@aerofire.com [mailto:rfletc...@aerofire.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.o

RE: Combustible Concealed Space

2012-12-18 Thread RFletcher
It's another case of Architects designing buildings that don't comply with NFPA #13s' construction requirements. When will they learn that NFPA 13 is building code as well as a sprinkler system installation standard? Ron Fletcher Aero Phoenix -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Combustible Concealed Space

2012-12-18 Thread Matt Grise
Tyco's CC1 data sheet shows a C-UL listing (page 1) http://www.tyco-fire.com/TD_TFP/TFP/TFP630_07_2004.pdf Viking makes a concealed space head that is listed for use in Canada. (see pg 3) http://www.vikinggroupinc.com/databook/sprinklers/special/110503.pdf Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II Sa

Combustible Concealed Space

2012-12-18 Thread A.P.Silva
I have a combustible concealed space above the main floor of a two storey building that is required to be sprinklered. This space is 16" deep and consists of open web trusses spaced 16" on-centre. The webs are made of 2x4's, causing considerable obstructions. This space qualifies for the use of hea