Sprinklerforum] Re: Concrete Beams -- NFPA 13, 2016
Crossing editions, Mike, 10. 2. 7. 2 is referenced in the '22 edition, and
Jackie was discussing the '16. Everything in the '16 edition, chapter 10 deals
with underground, and there is no such section. If Jackie can apply the
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Concrete Beams -- NFPA
13, 2016
Jackie, I echo the thoughts of Anthony, Matt, and my good
friend Cliff. All the sections I note are from the '16
if it is 1' to <18"
than it can be no more than 2-1/2" above the tee, and etc
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On 2/9/2024 2:37 PM, Jackie Ward wrote:
I have 18” wide concrete beams extending 24” from the bottom of t
Concrete Beams -- NFPA 13, 2016
Jackie, I echo the thoughts of Anthony, Matt, and my good friend Cliff. All the
sections I note are from the '16 edition of NFPA 13 Obstructed construction per
§3. 7. 1, §A. 3. 7. 1(1), as you have concrete beams, spaced between 3' and 7½"
apart.
Jackie,
I echo the thoughts of Anthony, Matt, and my good friend Cliff.
All the sections I note are from the '16 edition of NFPA 13
Obstructed construction per §3.7.1, §A.3.7.1(1), as you have
concrete beams, spaced between 3' and 7½" apart.
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I have 18” wide concrete beams extending 24” from the bottom of the deck on
7’-0” centers.
NFPA-13 (2016) 8.6.4.1.2 Obstructed Construction (5)*
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I have 18” wide concrete beams extending 24” from the bottom of the deck on
7’-0” centers.
NFPA-13 (2016) 8.6.4.1.2 Obstructed Construction (5)* Installed with deflectors
of sprinklers under concrete tee construction
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I have 18” wide concrete beams extending 24” from the bottom of the deck on
I have 18” wide concrete beams extending 24” from the bottom of the deck on
7’-0” centers.
NFPA-13 (2016) 8.6.4.1.2 Obstructed Construction (5)* Installed with deflectors
of sprinklers under concrete tee construction with stems spaced less than 71⁄2
ft (2.3 m) on centers, regardless of the
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> Subject: Re: NFPA 13 2016 25.2.1.4.2
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> I'd like that. The last time I went a couple rounds with her we did have a
> few AFSA interpretations but none exactly fit the 'identical' situation so
> she wasn't sat
I am curios,
Did you include a 2 hour test at all?
R/
Matt
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> wrote:
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> NFPA 13 2016 25.2.1.4.2, Modifications that cannot be isolated, such as
> relocated drops, shall require testing at system working pressure.
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> We have a local AHJ that always requires us to pump up tenant improvement
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> John - Let's talk tomorrow. I think we can prepare an informal
> interpret
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Subject: Re: NFPA 13 2016 25.2.1.4.2
John - Let's talk tomorrow. I think we can prepare an informal
interpretation for you describing the intent of this section.
AFSA will be covering Acceptance Testing is some upcoming AHJ webinars.
Thanks,
John
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NFPA 13 2016 25.2.1.4.2, Modifications that cannot be isolated, such as
relocated drops, shall require testing at system working pressure.
We have a local AHJ that always requires us to pump up tenant improvement
projects to 200 psi if they are over 20 sprinklers. We have a waiver/release
form
9.2.3.4.4.4 Unless flexible sprinkler hose fittings in accordance with
9.2.1.3.3.1 are used, the
hanger closest to the sprinkler shall be of a type that prevents upward
movement of the pipe.
9.2.1.3.3.1 Listed flexible sprinkler hose fittings and their anchoring
components intended
for use in inst
NFPA 13, 2016
Can someone send me a copy of Sections 9.2.3.4.4.4 and 9.2.1.3.3.1 please?
Local AHJ is using NFPA 13,2010 and it doesn't state that Flex heads prevent
upward movement when the branch line has 100 psi or greater pressure.
What he is looking for is a copy of the page
Can someone send me a copy of Sections 9.2.3.4.4.4 and 9.2.1.3.3.1 please?
Local AHJ is using NFPA 13,2010 and it doesn't state that Flex heads prevent
upward movement when the branch line has 100 psi or greater pressure.
What he is looking for is a copy of the page from NFPA 13,2016.
Thank
so tough to put into simple
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> Ed Kramer
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The POC would be where the dry pipe valve connects to the wet system (the
assumption is that it does not have an express main). That way the dry pipe
pipe is calc’ed with 4 sprinklers but the system is able to deliver water to a
bigger fire (aka
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> This very sensible approach was added to address smaller remote areas
> (loading docks, precautions systems, small areas of higher hazard
> classifications etc). Historica
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This very sensible approach was added to address smaller remote areas (loading
docks, precautions systems, small areas of higher hazard classifications etc).
Historically we were suppose to pick up additional floor
s
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This very sensible approach was added to address smaller remote areas (loading
docks, precautions systems, small areas of higher hazard classifications etc).
Historically we were suppose to p
had an engineer reference sections from NFPA-13 (2016) of which I do not
> have a copy. If anybody has it could you please tell me what these two
> sections say?
>
> NFPA 13 2016 23.4.4.2.4 and 23.4.4.2.5
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> Thanks in advance.
>
> Brian Harris, CET
> BVS Systems
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I've had an engineer reference sections from NFPA-13 (2016) of which I do not
have a copy. If anybody has it coul
taking any action in
reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.
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I've had an engineer reference sections from NFPA-13 (2016) of which I do not
have a copy. If anybody has it could you please tell me what these two sections
say?
NFPA 13 2016 23.4.4.2.4 and 23.4.4.2.5
Thanks in advance.
Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
Design Manager
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, 2016 12:29 PM
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Subject: nfpa 13 2016 errors
Ch. 15 has an error on figure 15.2.2.1 (decision tree). It directs you to table
15.2.6 (a) or (b) which doesn't exist. Should be table 15.2.2.5 (a) or (b)
Rocci Cetani III, CET
Designer
Water-Based
Ch. 15 has an error on figure 15.2.2.1 (decision tree). It directs you to
table 15.2.6 (a) or (b) which doesn't exist. Should be table 15.2.2.5 (a)
or (b)
Rocci Cetani III, CET
Designer
Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III
Northern California Fire Protection Serv
PA about it and they uploaded me a new PDF version.
>
> If that's the print version you're referring to, I would hope they would
> rectify that with a new book as well, but who knows?
>
>
> Benjamin Young
>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Scott Futrell wrote:
n Tue, May 3, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Scott Futrell wrote:
> I just received my new copy of NFPA 13, 2016, with TIA's included. At
> least one TIA doesn't match the text, it refers to a section that isn't
> there and has a wrong paragraph number within it, we read word-for-word.
&
I just received my new copy of NFPA 13, 2016, with TIA's included. At least
one TIA doesn't match the text, it refers to a section that isn't there and has
a wrong paragraph number within it, we read word-for-word.
More importantly I have pages 1-32 twice, yes twice, and I don&#
t: RE: NFPA 13 2016 EQ Questions
Thanks Ken,
I haven't got a chance to really dive into 16 yet, so the new guys have the
handbook. Also found that Tolco has updated their data sheets and has a new
set of Pr values sheets for a couple of Anchors.
Jerry Van Kolken
Millennium Fire Protection
(760
Thanks Ken,
I haven't got a chance to really dive into 16 yet, so the new guys have the
handbook. Also found that Tolco has updated their data sheets and has a new
set of Pr values sheets for a couple of Anchors.
Jerry Van Kolken
Millennium Fire Protection
(760) 722-2722
Jerry,
The Pr (prying factor) is not specific to the type of concrete or
it's compressive strength. It is an equation based on the geometry of
the hardware fitting for the seismic brace which connects to the
structure (not the pipe). Annex A.9.3.5.12.2 shows you the equations
used to gen
orum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Kolken
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Subject: NFPA 13 2016 EQ Questions
We are looking at the new tables for Concrete anchors in NFPA 13-9.3.5.12.2.
Where would one
Perhaps wedges
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On Apr 19, 2016 7:44 PM, Jerry Van Kolken wrote:
We are looking at the new tables for Concrete anchors in NFPA 13-9.3.5.12.2.
Where would one find the Pr value of concrete on a job?
Another question as well. We mainly use Tolco and Afcon EQ prod
We are looking at the new tables for Concrete anchors in NFPA 13-9.3.5.12.2.
Where would one find the Pr value of concrete on a job?
Another question as well. We mainly use Tolco and Afcon EQ products. This
are all sized for ½ bolt connections. Does anyone know of a manufacture
that uses diffe
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> Subject: RE: Air Venting in NFPA 13 (2016)
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> Brad,
> Very good
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Brad,
Very good point.
Jim McHugh
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Brad,
Very good point.
Jim McHugh
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Subject: RE: Air Venting in NFPA 13 (2016
. The 'air cushion idea'
is not a myth!!
Brad
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Subject: RE: Air Venting in NFPA
: Air Venting in NFPA 13 (2016)
Am I understanding correctly that air venting will be required 13-2016?
There was a motion to NOT require it, but that motion failed, right?
thanks,
Brad Casterline, NICET IV
Fire Protection Division
FSC, Inc.
P: 913-722-3473
bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
14, 2015 10:04 AM
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Subject: Air Venting in NFPA 13 (2016)
Am I understanding correctly that air venting will be required 13-2016?
There was a motion to NOT require it, but that motion failed, right?
thanks,
Brad Casterline, NICET IV
Fire
Am I understanding correctly that air venting will be required 13-2016?
There was a motion to NOT require it, but that motion failed, right?
thanks,
Brad Casterline, NICET IV
Fire Protection Division
FSC, Inc.
P: 913-722-3473
bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
www.fsc-inc.com
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