Re: Pipe supports revisited (Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports)

2013-10-30 Thread Roland Huggins
It appears that you are quoting a section about apples but are talking about oranges. There is NO change regarding the load carried by the structural member. It is still the weight of the pipe (not 5X) plus 250lbs. The 5X rule applies to the hanger assembly which was better defined in 2013 to

RE: Pipe supports revisited (Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports)

2013-10-30 Thread Craig.Prahl
...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:13 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Pipe supports revisited (Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports) It appears that you

Re: Pipe supports revisited (Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports)

2013-10-30 Thread Roland Huggins
There has indeed been clarification but you have to be part of that tiny sector of the industry that read the ROPs and ROCs to have been aware of it. Several cycles ago we attempted to have the 250 lb requirement removed based on the requirements by the kind and gentle OSHA group that one must

Pipe supports revisited (Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports)

2013-10-29 Thread Hinson, Ryan
I'm getting tired of going toe-to-toe with every structural and piping engineer regarding fire protection related pipe support and spacing requirements on every time I work on a refinery-type project and hoping a hanging and support committee member might weigh in here. The spacing limitations

RE: Pipe supports revisited (Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports)

2013-10-29 Thread Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Comtractor
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Re: RE: Pipe supports revisited (Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports)

2013-10-29 Thread rongreenman .
,Jordan, David djor...@burnsmcd.com Subject: Pipe supports revisited (Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports) I'm getting tired of going toe-to-toe with every structural and piping engineer regarding fire protection related pipe support and spacing requirements

RE: RE: Pipe supports revisited (Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports)

2013-10-29 Thread RFletcher
...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of rongreenman . Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:23 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: RE: Pipe supports revisited (Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports) I've

RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-12 Thread Craig.Prahl
Of craig.pr...@ch2m.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:31 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports If the spacing of pipe rack supports does not meet the spacing requirements of the NFPA Standards you need

Re: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-12 Thread MPhelps
: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports instead of Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, how about Benchmark to Determine Just how far from Reality the Actual Situation IS from what Is Written Here-In, Now let's See the Numbers? Quoting Ron Greenman rongreen

RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-12 Thread Craig.Prahl
Subject: Re: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports instead of Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, how about Benchmark to Determine Just how far from Reality the Actual Situation IS from what Is Written Here-In, Now let's See the Numbers? Quoting Ron Greenman

RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-10 Thread Bill Brooks
: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports If the spacing of pipe rack supports does not meet the spacing requirements of the NFPA Standards you need to supplement with intermediate hangers in order to have a compliant installation. I just don't use what's given. Craig L. Prahl

Re: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-10 Thread Ron Greenman
] On Behalf Of craig.pr...@ch2m.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:31 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports If the spacing of pipe rack supports does not meet the spacing requirements of the NFPA Standards you need

Re: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-10 Thread Mike Cabral
- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of craig.pr...@ch2m.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:31 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

Re: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-10 Thread bcasterline
, 2012 10:31 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports If the spacing of pipe rack supports does not meet the spacing requirements of the NFPA Standards you need to supplement with intermediate hangers in order to have a compliant

RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-08 Thread Craig.Prahl
...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Hinson, Ryan Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 7:07 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports I've got a couple projects which have pipe racks for supporting above grade firewater piping. These rack

RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-08 Thread RFletcher
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Hinson, Ryan Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 7:07 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports I've got a couple projects which have pipe racks for supporting above grade

RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-08 Thread Craig.Prahl
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:48 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports I agree that you would have to follow NFPA 13/15 hanger requirements for spacing of pipe stands you are building to support pipe around like a pump

RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-08 Thread Hinson, Ryan
: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of craig.pr...@ch2m.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:31 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports If the spacing of pipe

Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-06 Thread Hinson, Ryan
I've got a couple projects which have pipe racks for supporting above grade firewater piping. These rack supports are spaced at 20' or more on center. From the NFPA 13 Handbook at the beginning of Chapter 9, pipestands are to have the same safety factors as hangers. NFPA 15 is suggested for