I am working on a project where they are installing 2 exterior
coolers/freezers. The coolers abut the building and there is a doorway cut in
the wall to access them. The engineer says they do not need to be sprinklers
because they are outside and not part of the building. My claim is that they
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Subject: exterior cooler/freezer
I am working on a project where they are installing 2 exterior
coolers/freezers. The coolers abut the building and there is
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Subject: exterior cooler/freezer
I am working on a project where they are installing 2 exterior
coolers/freezers. The coolers abut the bui
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It is attached - per IBC definition therefore sprinkler are required...that is
my understanding and what has been enforced locally for years.
Greg
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Hold on a second, there could be a fire wall between the two creating separate
buildings, lol.
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It is attached - per IBC definition therefore sprinkler are required...that is
my understanding and what has been enforced locally for years.
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In that case, see 8.2.5 of NFPA #13
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Hold on a second, there could be a fire wall between the
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True, but that's about separate risers/system
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In that c
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Exactly. I think this goes back to... Room or Building?
Either way if not separated by fire r
8.1.1 talks about sprinklers throughout and A.8.1.1 states including walk-in
coolers, freezers etc. I’d say it is a no brainer with interior access from
the primary building but even two structures that are together are considered
one building (easy to follow if one says fire area) less there i
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Hold on a second, there could be a fire wall between the two creating
separate buildings, lol.
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Subject: RE: exterior cooler/freezer
True, but that's about separate risers/systems not whether the building gets
sprinklered. If there is a fire wall the 'engineer' is rig
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If the Project Engineer says they aren't ne
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> I concur with if there's a door from the freezer into the building then
> sprinkler.
> It's no different than if the
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Hello Christopher,
That is what the AHJs around here look at it as. They say the closed c
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Hello Christopher
urston
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Hello Christopher,
That is what the AHJs around here look at it as. They say the closed cooler
door is like a fire door and no sprinkler needed. They
ure which one is being referenced here.
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Subject: Re: exterior cooler/freezer
I went to the jobsite yesterday to get the full scoop. This is a restaurant in
a strip mall. In back, there will be two boxes approximately 9 x 16 x 8(h). One
will be liquor storage, which needs to have an inside access. Th
not sure which one is being referenced here.
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Its called a backdraft. Look it up or
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> Its called a backdraft. Look it up or watch the movie. Yes it can burn.
> Also be careful with statistics
No offense taken from anyone. I was merely looking for any specific fire
history to use as a talking point. I find that is an effective method when
trying to convince owners to do something.
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> On Mar 10, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Greg McGahan wrote:
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> NFPA #13 is not based on IF
If it were just on the inside of the wall and rotated 180 degrees would you
sprinklers it? Could you could argue it wasn't a part of the building
because the door into it led directly outside?
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Todd - Work wrote:
> No offense taken from anyone. I was merely lookin
No, because if it is inside the building, it is part of the building. If the
doorway from the building to the outside cooler remains, then it is another
room and has to be sprinklered. No question. However, if the direct doorway is
removed and the only access is from outside, then it becomes an
t: Re: exterior cooler/freezer
If it were just on the inside of the wall and rotated 180 degrees would you
sprinklers it? Could you could argue it wasn't a part of the building
because the door into it led directly outside?
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Todd - Work wrote:
> No offense take
Interesting argument that when an attached cooler or freezer with no direct
access to the interior, the AHJs say no sprinklers. Try that theory with an
attached noncombustible canopy with storage with no door access direct to the
interior nearby - I bet the AHJ says sprinklers are required.
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> If it were just on the i
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Subject: Re: exterior cooler/freezer
I went to the jobsite yesterday to get the full scoop. This is a restaurant in
a strip mall. In back, there will be two boxes approximately 9 x 16 x 8(h). One
will be liquor storage, which needs to have an inside acces
ject: Re: exterior cooler/freezer
Interesting argument that when an attached cooler or freezer with no direct
access to the interior, the AHJs say no sprinklers. Try that theory with an
attached noncombustible canopy with storage with no door access direct to the
interior nearby - I bet the AHJ
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