Pete,
Nothing new on the American Project from me. I've been busy with the summer
honey-do list. Not sure about Steve Boylan's loco, his website hasn't been
updated since Nov.'02.
are you the PeteH for Baraboo, WI that posts on the G1MRA Yahoo group?? I'm
originally from Madison.
Ken Vogel
Co
I totally understand! Doesn't look like I will be laying track this year,
haven't even started the pond yet!
Yup, that would be me. I went to high-school in Westfield with a Ken Vogel?
PeteH
Baraboo WI
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Pete,
Nothing new on the American
Has anyone heard the latest on the American Project?
PeteH
: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:11 PM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Re: 4-4-0 American project
Ken,
Don't waste your time building a special table on which you can weld/braze.
An ordinary common red brick on top of anything will do and probably be
better than anything you can dream
The surface of the table is going to be made of fire bricks. Any
attempt to
save $ would result in a potentially unsafe situation. Heating a
surface
that contains moisture WILL result in an explosion. Concrete is in
this
category and red-brick is too.
Hi Ken,
Glad to see this posting! I was
Ken Keith and all,
I went the way Ken has planned but with a couple extras;
The first is a sand bed, to hold odd shaped pieces (and not catch fire!).
The second is two plastic tubs, one with Pickle solution and one with Baking soda and
water for cleanning and neutralizing.
All under the third,
AM
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Subject: Re: 4-4-0 American project
Ken Keith and all,
I went the way Ken has planned but with a couple extras;
The first is a sand bed, to hold odd shaped pieces (and not catch fire!).
The second is two plastic tubs, one with Pickle
Ken,
The reason that a direct flame causes concrete to explode is not the water
that it contains. It's the expansion of the concrete that has no place to
go but up.
Arthur
Mexico City
Funny that the subject of the 4-4-0's should come up.
I was just going to write that I made some chips this weekend while making
the first parts for my 1:32 scale American project. The blanks for the built
up cylinder casting were cut on the lathe from 954 aluminum bronze and I
am squaring
Ken,
Don't waste your time building a special table on which you can weld/braze.
An ordinary common red brick on top of anything will do and probably be
better than anything you can dream up. What you have to be careful about is
that the pieces being brazed, silver soldered, together are clean,
Hi all,
I just posted a few jpegs of the American project solid models, if anyone
is interested.
The website address is: http://moosedog.home.mindspring.com/
Remember, it's a work in progress so everything isn't necessarily in place
or in it's final form.
Ken
spooky, but Vance's idea of an
outer wrapper would work.
I await the Guru from Tenn.'s input on the boiler.
Terry Griner
Columbus Ohio USA
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Hi all,
I just posted a few jpegs of the American project solid models, if
anyone
is interested.
The website address is: http
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From: XXYZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: American project jpegs
Hi all,
I just posted a few jpegs of the American project solid models, if
anyone
is interested.
Looks
Terry,
Looks good! I think it would be a nice project for someone like me,
limited machine skills, but lots of spare time.
Thanks! I am a novice machinist as well, so that was my intent. I am a
professional engineer so machining inside the PC is easy. I'm also kind of
a tool hound and the
ken:
i forget ... have you spec'd a burner yet?
\dmc
At 9:59 AM -0700 3/12/03, XXYZ wrote:
Hi all,
I just posted a few jpegs of the American project solid models, if anyone
is interested.
The website address is: http://moosedog.home.mindspring.com/
Remember, it's a work in progress so
At 11:17 AM -0700 3/12/03, XXYZ wrote:
Why, Any ideas?
no, just curious.
\dmc
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Dave Cole
Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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: mdenning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: American Project
I love it !?!?!
Finally a web site for the Locomotive That Changed the World
(Our little side of it anyway)
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Okay, time for me to chime in with my plugged nickle's worth. Sorry it
took me so long, but the first couple weeks of October were pretty hectic.
I'm just now making my way back to the subject of a 1:32 scale project
based on the 4-4-0 American locomotive ...
... which I think would be a great
At 12:22 PM 10/11/02 -0400, you wrote:
Let the kibbitzing begin!
Steve
It is inconceivable that eventually I shouldn't have something to
add to this project, but I haven't got the wind in me right now, except to
say that 4-4-0's are probably my favorite locomotive configuration and I
I love it !?!?!
Finally a web site for the Locomotive That Changed the World
(Our little side of it anyway)
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Okay, time for me to chime in with my plugged nickle's worth. Sorry it
took me so long, but the first couple weeks of October were pretty hectic.
I'm just now
There were many (good looking) straight boilered 4-4-0s in the 1840-1880 era.
Check out a scan of Phantom from the book A History of THE AMERICAN
LOCOMOTIVE Its Development:1830-1880
By John H. White, Jr.
Dover Publications, Inc.
New York
ISBN 0-486-23818-0
www.panyo.com/misc/Phantom.htm
Mike,
Thanks, for the link.
Ken
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Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:16 AM
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There were many (good looking
In a message dated Tue, 1 Oct 2002 2:01:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Regarding Pete's suggestion: because 1:20.3 is pretty well
supported right now, there's not nearly as much need to develop
something else in that scale.
I thought I was actually addrssing the
gear are all there, but the Aster price is a bit too much for me to
spend for a project starting point.
If the American Project were to offer a tested functional design, basic
machining and fabrication guidelines, and a source for the unique parts and
castings, then I would definitely be interested
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In a message dated Tue, 1 Oct 2002 2:01:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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However, I do
However, I do agree that a 4-4-0 steam engine could easily be converted
from 1/32nd std gauge to 1/20.3 NG, just by changing the cab size and
adjusting a few details.
This brings up an interesting possibility. Converting standard gauge
locomotives to narrow gauge (or vice versa) was
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However, I do agree that a 4-4-0 steam engine could easily be converted
from 1/32nd std gauge to 1/20.3 NG, just by changing the cab size and
adjusting a few details.
This brings up an interesting possibility
: American Project
Vance, and all
Thanks for the interesting information!
My intention, and the origin of this thread, was to develop a project,
Dee
type book for an American prototype 4-4-0 (American) in 1/32 scale. (What
do
they call a 4-4-0 in Britain?)
I don't see any reason
Hi All.
Aster did this in their ealy days with the RENO. A very basic Early
American 4-4-0 . This used an apparent Waggon Top boiler - large over
the firebox with a short tapered section to a smaller main barrel and smoke
box. They used an outer cosmetic shell for this with a parallel
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US difficulties revolve mainly round how to make plausible bar frames - a
task which is more difficult for the modeller than for the prototype.
Another difficulty is the near total abscence of
I don't really see the point of 1/32nd, when there are few models of US
prototypes,
HELLOO :)
There are a dearth of models available for the mainline guys. If someone
wants to design a mainline engine God bless him! Fact is, a 2-6-0 or
similar size 1:32 bar frame outline(Keith), is
the engine .
Graham S
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Hi All.
Aster did this in their ealy days with the RENO. A very
I'd just like to put a vote in for 1:32 or at worst 1:29th scale. If I
want a NG engine of the American type there are plenty available. :]
Trot, the picky, fox...
/\_/\TrotFox\ Always remember,
( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon \ There is a
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Jim,
With respect to your statement the basic model engineering design package,
once executed for US mainline engines, will easily adapt wide variety of US
engines, mainline and narrow gauge: would it be possible to get a few hints
regarding the probable dimensions of proposed 4-4-0? Like loco
Steve:
Not having seen it, I can't speak to the model. I would anticipate the
developers to spread the word later this fall.
Jim
Thanks, Jim.
I will be patient.
Steve
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Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 7:34 AM
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Steve:
Not having seen it, I can't speak to the model. I would
http://gold.mylargescale.com/BobStarr\Pictures\V1.jpg
bob:
you got your slashes all turned around; here's the correct url:
http://gold.mylargescale.com/BobStarr/Pictures/V1.jpg
\dmc
ps: nice looking sculpture.
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Dave Cole
Dave,
HnI just did as a copy and paste from the page. I wonder
what happened?
Bob
On the subject of open 'bar' frames - what happened to brass etching?
You can't find anyone in the US to do it, though there are plenty of people in
the UK who can and will do it for you.
Bar frames are really not that complicated, however. Kevin Strong showed me
how easy it was to
On the other hand, 1:32 is very poorly supported, and the only
available live
steamers are shockingly expensive, though quite beautiful. A
lower-cost, DIY
standard gauge project would probably find some enthustiastic takers.
But it's
also possible that the high cost of Aster locos has
Well Ken,
Perhaps you don't think this would count, but I am building a sort of
American ' Project'.
I bought a 'Project' boiler from a guy some 20ys ago it was looking for a
home 'till last year. Anyway it is now destined for a little US Mogul which
with a bit of luck might be ready
count, but I am building a sort of
American ' Project'.
snip
Don't agree with your statement about 'Brits having it easy'. There is
nothing 'easy' about inside cylinders valve gear whether in model or
'real' form. Why do you think the whole world went over to the US way of
doing - provided they were
I have often toyed with the idea of reducing LBSC's Virginian to our scale.
In fact, in his book, he even makes mention of it. One could consider using
Roundhouse cylinders with it and his text does offer a straight boiler. In
fact, many years ago, I did a welded steel sculpture of a train
Ken:
Funny you should ask. There is a 1:32 American under development as we
speak. It'll be along the model engineering lines of a Project or Dee.
I've been asked to design a set of laser cut bar frames for it. My
understanding is complete drawings/instructions should be printed up by the
end
At 04:53 PM 9/29/02 -0400, James Curry wrote:
Funny you should ask. There is a 1:32 American under development as we
speak. It'll be along the model engineering lines of a Project or Dee.
Is that the 0-6-0 being done by David and (?) Warren? I wasn't sure I
should say anything. I was asked to
This is great news.
Art Walker
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Ken:
Funny you should ask. There is a 1:32 American under
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I've been asked to design a set of laser cut bar frames for it.
Jim Curry
Jim,
Why do folks
Hi all,
I wondder if everyone is out steaming? There has been little mail today. So
here is a little conversation stimulation.
I was wondering, what kind of interest would there be in an American 1/32
scale prototype project locomotive.
Obviously, the brits have it a bit easier with their
I think I would be a wonderfull idea in 1/24 or 1/22.5
Later
Michael
Florida
USA
Iron Nut
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Hi all,
I
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