Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-18 Thread Konstantin Kozlov
Waqas Hussain wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Konstantin Kozlov wrote: No. We don't know how messages represented on the other side. It could be chat windows, pop-ups or whatever author of the application can imagine. So, in some implementations some (or all) chat state notificati

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-18 Thread Konstantin Kozlov
Yann Leboulanger пишет: On 06/18/2010 08:20 PM, Konstantin Kozlov wrote: Waqas Hussain пишет: See XEP-0085: Chat State Notifications. That nicely solves the problem of determining if the other side is paying attention to the conversation. No. We don't know how messages represented on the other

[Standards] offering a sorted+updated top list of items via pubsub

2010-06-18 Thread Justin Karneges
Hi folks, I want to be able to subscribe to a top list of items efficiently. The mechanism I've come up with so far is for the subscriber to specify a window size, and then the publisher sends a series of deltas to the subscriber including the positions. Namely this is "insert item at index N

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-18 Thread Waqas Hussain
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Konstantin Kozlov wrote: >   No. We don't know how messages represented on the other side. It could be > chat windows, pop-ups or whatever author of the application can imagine. So, > in some implementations some (or all) chat state notifications are > meaningless

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-18 Thread Yann Leboulanger
On 06/18/2010 08:20 PM, Konstantin Kozlov wrote: Waqas Hussain пишет: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Konstantin Kozlov wrote: Well. According to my experience, based on knowledge of my behavior and behavior of my friends, the fact that my message is not "new" anymore on the other side is eno

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-18 Thread Konstantin Kozlov
Waqas Hussain пишет: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Konstantin Kozlov wrote: Well. According to my experience, based on knowledge of my behavior and behavior of my friends, the fact that my message is not "new" anymore on the other side is enough to assume that user on the other side re

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-18 Thread Waqas Hussain
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Konstantin Kozlov wrote: > Peter Saint-Andre пишет: >> >> This is my point: it is *impossible* for you to know if I have actually >> read a message you have sent me (we discussed this in our IM chat the >> other day). You can know if the message has been delivered

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-18 Thread Konstantin Kozlov
Peter Saint-Andre пишет: This is my point: it is *impossible* for you to know if I have actually read a message you have sent me (we discussed this in our IM chat the other day). You can know if the message has been delivered to my client (and this helps to determine if there are delivery problem