Re: [Standards] request for reviews: XEP-0045 v1.25rc5

2011-09-27 Thread Kevin Smith
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: On Sep 26, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: 5. Both subject/ and body/ in a single message (A message with a subject/ and a body/ is a legitimate message, but it SHALL NOT be interpreted as a subject

Re: [Standards] request for reviews: XEP-0045 v1.25rc5

2011-09-27 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:09 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: I think one ought to allow for extension elements in the subject change message. For instance, say the subject change message is delayed at an occupant's server, which hence adds a delay/ element. Hence, I think it should be a subject/

Re: [Standards] request for reviews: XEP-0045 v1.25rc5

2011-09-27 Thread Waqas Hussain
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On 9/19/11 11:34 PM, Waqas Hussain wrote: 3. Service changing room nick I'd like some text stating that a service can change the occupant's nick at any time, including room join. An occupant MUST listen for status

Re: [Standards] request for reviews: XEP-0045 v1.25rc5

2011-09-27 Thread Waqas Hussain
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On 9/24/11 1:53 PM, Waqas Hussain wrote: I note that this feature has no disco feature defined. MUC does not have the plethora of disco features that PubSub has. You decide whether that's a good thing or a bad

[Standards] Regarding capitalization of base64 type in Jabber-RPC (XEP-0009)

2011-09-27 Thread Gerard Maas
Hi all, We are currently developing Jabber-RPC based interactions in a distributed application. We use the base64 type to transmit binary data over the wire and we are facing a compatibility issue between client and server implementations: The capitalization of the 'Base64' element seems to be

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Unique Room Names for Multi-User Chat

2011-09-27 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Unique Room Names for Multi-User Chat Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for requesting a unique room ID from a multi-user chat service. URL: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-unique.html

Re: [Standards] Regarding capitalization of base64 type in Jabber-RPC (XEP-0009)

2011-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 9/27/11 7:59 AM, Gerard Maas wrote: The question is: is Base64 (in uppercase) a typo in the schema or is it the correct definition for it and must be respected by the implementations? I think the uppercase B is a typo in XEP-0009. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] Regarding capitalization of base64 type in Jabber-RPC (XEP-0009)

2011-09-27 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue Sep 27 16:39:51 2011, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 9/27/11 7:59 AM, Gerard Maas wrote: The question is: is Base64 (in uppercase) a typo in the schema or is it the correct definition for it and must be respected by the implementations? I think the uppercase B is a typo in XEP-0009.

Re: [Standards] Regarding capitalization of base64 type in Jabber-RPC (XEP-0009)

2011-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 9/27/11 9:47 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Tue Sep 27 16:39:51 2011, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 9/27/11 7:59 AM, Gerard Maas wrote: The question is: is Base64 (in uppercase) a typo in the schema or is it the correct definition for it and must be respected by the implementations? I

Re: [Standards] Regarding capitalization of base64 type in Jabber-RPC (XEP-0009)

2011-09-27 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue Sep 27 16:51:39 2011, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: XML element names are case-sensitive. Ah, yes, indeed. For some reason I'd assumed it was an attribute name and obviously failed to properly read the original mail, sorry. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:d...@cridland.net -

Re: [Standards] Regarding capitalization of base64 type in Jabber-RPC (XEP-0009)

2011-09-27 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue Sep 27 16:53:58 2011, Dave Cridland wrote: On Tue Sep 27 16:51:39 2011, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: XML element names are case-sensitive. Ah, yes, indeed. For some reason I'd assumed it was an attribute name and obviously failed to properly read the original mail, sorry. Attribute

Re: [Standards] Regarding capitalization of base64 type in Jabber-RPC (XEP-0009)

2011-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 9/27/11 9:51 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I will reach out to Elliotte Rusty Harold about this to see if he's received any errata about this in his book. Done. I'll post again if I hear from him. /psa

Re: [Standards] Regarding capitalization of base64 type in Jabber-RPC (XEP-0009)

2011-09-27 Thread Gerard Maas
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.imwrote: On 9/27/11 9:51 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I will reach out to Elliotte Rusty Harold about this to see if he's received any errata about this in his book. Done. I'll post again if I hear from him. Many

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Unique Room Names for Multi-User Chat

2011-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 9/27/11 10:07 AM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: On Sep 27, 2011, at 8:35 AM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Unique Room Names for Multi-User Chat Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Unique Room Names for Multi-User Chat

2011-09-27 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 9/27/11 10:07 AM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: On Sep 27, 2011, at 8:35 AM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Unique Room Names for Multi-User Chat Abstract: This

[Standards] XEP 60: PubSub still has payment-required

2011-09-27 Thread Kim Alvefur
The payment-required stream error was afaik removed from XMPP Core, so should it be removed from XEP 60? It could be moved to the pubsub#errors namespace. http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#subscriber-subscribe-error-payment -- Kim Alvefur z...@zash.se

Re: [Standards] XEP 60: PubSub still has payment-required

2011-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 9/27/11 10:20 AM, Kim Alvefur wrote: The payment-required stream error was afaik removed from XMPP Core, so should it be removed from XEP 60? Thanks for the bug report. XEP-0060 needs another round of cleanup to correct such errors, so I'll add this to the list. :) It could be moved to

[Standards] PEP inconsistency with presence subscription

2011-09-27 Thread Sergey Dobrov
The problem have it's begging in this ejabberd ticket: https://support.process-one.net/browse/EJAB-1473 I have small microblogging experimental project based on XEP-277, when user wants to read some user, he sends subscribe presence. Another user automatically sends subscribed but he doesn't

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Unique Room Names for Multi-User Chat

2011-09-27 Thread Bernard Aboba
Depending on what the problem one is trying to solve by server generation of the name instead of client side generation, possibly so. If reservation is desired and to be required of servers, that that should be clearly stated. I note that this would prevent a user from asking the server to

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Unique Room Names for Multi-User Chat

2011-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 9/27/11 11:28 AM, Bernard Aboba wrote: Depending on what the problem one is trying to solve by server generation of the name instead of client side generation, possibly so. If reservation is desired and to be required of servers, that that should be clearly stated.

Re: [Standards] request for reviews: XEP-0045 v1.25rc5

2011-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 9/27/11 7:38 AM, Waqas Hussain wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On 9/24/11 1:53 PM, Waqas Hussain wrote: I note that this feature has no disco feature defined. MUC does not have the plethora of disco features that PubSub has. You decide

Re: [Standards] request for reviews: XEP-0045 v1.25rc5

2011-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 9/27/11 7:29 AM, Waqas Hussain wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On 9/19/11 11:34 PM, Waqas Hussain wrote: 3. Service changing room nick I'd like some text stating that a service can change the occupant's nick at any time, including room

Re: [Standards] XEP 60: PubSub still has payment-required

2011-09-27 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 27.09.2011 18:26, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: On 9/27/11 10:20 AM, Kim Alvefur wrote: The payment-required stream error was afaik removed from XMPP Core, so should it be removed from XEP 60? Thanks for the bug report. XEP-0060 needs another round of cleanup to correct such errors, so I'll

Re: [Standards] request for reviews: XEP-0045 v1.25rc5

2011-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 9/27/11 3:28 PM, Alexander Holler wrote: Am 27.09.2011 15:29, schrieb Waqas Hussain: 11. Full-to-bare JID rewriting to support vCards All(?) implementations are doing it, but it's not specified anywhere. Should it be? Yes, it should. Proposed text would be appreciated. Err... a

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Unique Room Names for Multi-User Chat

2011-09-27 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 27.09.2011 19:33, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: On 9/27/11 11:28 AM, Bernard Aboba wrote: Depending on what the problem one is trying to solve by server generation of the name instead of client side generation, possibly so. If reservation is desired and to be required of