[Standards] XEPs to be deferred

2013-02-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
been busy (me and Kev), and that we plan to keep some of these alive, but in the meantime they will be changed to Deferred. When they are updated again, they will return to Experimental. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.

Re: [Standards] BOSH and legacy auth - do we have to be backwards compatible?

2013-02-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
do we need to maintain backward > compatibility here, or can we skip all references to XEP-0078 > altogether? I think we can remove the XEP-0078 references. It has been obsolete since 2008. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/Mac

Re: [Standards] Proposal for Secure Distributed Discovery of JIDs

2013-02-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
gt; > Cheers, Jef & Tobi > > [1] http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Secure_Distributed_JID_Discovery > - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAg

Re: [Standards] [Summit] BOSH actions

2013-02-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
it could use with simplification. Do you have any other suggestions along those lines? > Really pleased with the ideas for breaking up xep-0060 into more > manageable chunks from the summit too :) Indeed. Ralph and I will get to work on that pronto! Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stp

Re: [Standards] Fwd: [Summit] BOSH actions

2013-02-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre (psaintan)
04.02.2013 um 22:39 schrieb Steffen Larsen : >>> >>>> Just checked strophe, and it does not use it. I'll check some more >>>> implementations that uses BOSH for transport. Maybe that would give us >>>> an indication. >>>> >&

Re: [Standards] Websockets and session resuming

2013-02-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
to > a drop, >> but If I remember correctly people raised a lot of browser >> security > concerns at time >> > > Yes, because having authentication at the WebSocket layer was ruled > out. > > Because XMPP has auth, we get to have secure resumption. Wo

Re: [Standards] Fwd: [Summit] BOSH actions

2013-02-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre (psaintan)
gt; > On 04/02/2013 10:30, "Steffen Larsen" wrote: > >> Cross-posted from the summit list (sorry making noise). >> Here are my small notes to the BOSH action list (embedded). >> >> >> /Steffen >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> &

Re: [Standards] Websockets and session resuming

2013-02-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre (psaintan)
I think so! Sent from mobile, might be terse On Feb 3, 2013, at 1:33 PM, "Winfried Tilanus" wrote: > Hi, > > Websockets will often be used by clients who have quite a big chance of > broken connections, like mobile clients, clients using wireless > connections or other low quality consumer-gr

Re: [Standards] Reachability Addresses redux

2013-01-28 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
if you have more specific feedback. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEHO2gACgkQNL8k5A2w/vwj/QCfTDgUpyGX80VaE6AmvY

[Standards] Reachability Addresses redux

2013-01-28 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
cusax/ (And if you have feedback on the CUSAX I-D, please do send it along, preferably to the dispa...@ietf.org list.) Thanks! Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thu

Re: [Standards] XMPP over Websocket vs XEP-0198

2013-01-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1/25/13 9:42 AM, Winfried Tilanus wrote: > On 01/25/2013 05:15 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > > Peter, > >>>> [1] >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moffitt-xmpp-over-websocket-01#section-3.5 > >

Re: [Standards] XMPP over Websocket vs XEP-0198

2013-01-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
New editors might be required to get it done. However, it appears that this document will probably become an official work item of the XMPP WG at the IETF (I sent proposed charter text to the chairs last night), so discussion there might be appropriate at some point too. Peter - -- Peter Sain

Re: [Standards] XEP-0012 And Absolute Time

2013-01-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
se it's the middle of the > night for me compared to you"). What I am suggesting is adding a > note somewhere about the concern. > > > Wouldn't it make more sense to add this security notice to > XEP-0082, since it applies to everywhere you use timestamps that &g

Re: [Standards] FW: [Council] XEP-0258 1.1

2013-01-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ul. Or this may just be > a solution in search of a problem! > > Cheers, > > Ash > > On 05/01/2013 03:32, "Peter Saint-Andre" > wrote: > > Kurt Zeilenga has submitted version 1.1 of XEP-0258. This requires > Council approval. The diff and rendered

[Standards] XEP-0077 registration with 'to' address

2013-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
u Yes, we have a flow for account creation in XEP-0133, but it would be good if at the least XEP-0077 were not silent about how to handle user registrations containing 'to' addresses. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/Mac

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0316 (MUC Eventing Protocol)

2013-01-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1/3/13 11:29 AM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: > Version 0.1 of XEP-0316 (MUC Eventing Protocol) has been released. > > Abstract: This specification defines semantics for using the XMPP > publish-subscribe protocol to broadcast state change events

Re: [Standards] disco identity for "client/smartphone"?

2012-12-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/30/12 6:11 AM, Kozlov Konstantin wrote: > > > 30.11.2012, 12:26, "Kevin Smith" : >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Peter Saint-Andre >> wrote: >> >>> Looking at http://xmpp.org/registrar/d

[Standards] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for Participation in the Jabber/XMPP Devroom at FOSDEM 2013

2012-12-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
From: Peter Saint-Andre To: fos...@lists.fosdem.org The Jabber/XMPP community will once again host a devroom at FOSDEM 2013. Jabber/XMPP is a set of open technologies for real-time communication, which power a wide range of applications including instant messaging, presence, multi-party chat, voice

[Standards] Fwd: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-nickname-05.txt

2012-12-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI, this is your last chance to provide input on this spec. Please send feedback to the pre...@ietf.org list. Thanks! Peter Original Message Subject: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-nickname-05.txt Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 14:48:44 +0900 From: Yoshiro YONEYA To: pre...@ietf.org

[Standards] Fwd: A draft for e-reading activities over XMMP

2012-11-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI. Original Message Subject:A draft for e-reading activities over XMMP Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 05:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: Olli Reply-To: activity-stre...@googlegroups.com To: activity-stre...@googlegroups.com Hi, this an announcement of a draft speci

[Standards] disco identity for "client/smartphone"?

2012-11-29 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
might want to add an identity for "client/smartphone" (i.e., a phone that can do a lot more than the old-style phones we had in mind when we defined "client/phone"). Thoughts? Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGP

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-11-28 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/12 5:41 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Peter Saint-Andre > wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 10/15/12 12:21 AM, Andreas Kuckartz wrote: >>> I agree w

Re: [Standards] xmpp.org outage

2012-11-26 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We're back online. Diagnostics continue. On 11/26/12 11:59 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > We're having hardware issues on the xmpp.org webserver right now, > so the site is down. We're working to bring it back up, and > lon

[Standards] xmpp.org outage

2012-11-26 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We're having hardware issues on the xmpp.org webserver right now, so the site is down. We're working to bring it back up, and longer-term working to make the website such that it is easier to mirror. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://

Re: [Standards] Fwd: [xmpp] XMPP over WebSocket

2012-11-01 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/1/12 11:38 AM, Todd Herman wrote: >> -Original Message- From: standards-boun...@xmpp.org >> [mailto:standards- boun...@xmpp.org] On Behalf Of Peter >> Saint-Andre Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 6:48 PM To: >&g

[Standards] Fwd: [xmpp] XMPP over WebSocket

2012-10-31 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI. - Original Message Subject: [xmpp] XMPP over WebSocket Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:47:29 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre To: XMPP Working Group At the XMPP Summit last week, we talked a bit about XMPP and the web, including the

Re: [Standards] Remote Roster Management: what's the status of this ?

2012-10-31 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
; experimental status ? Is anybody working on something similar ? >> >> >> Thanks Goffi >> >> PS: sent a copy of this to the author of the XEP, and the >> standard@ mailing list. >> > > - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

[Standards] Fwd: [Summit] rough agenda for XMPP Summit 12

2012-10-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
genda for XMPP Summit 12 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:29:45 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre Reply-To: XMPP Summit To: XMPP Summit Folks, here is a rough agenda for XMPP Summit 12 next week in Portland. Please provide feedback, let me know if you want to lead a discussion, speak up if you think other t

Re: [Standards] xep-027 encrypted filetransfers

2012-10-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/17/12 9:21 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2012, at 08:26, Peter Saint-Andre > wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 10/17/12 5:57 AM, Александр wrote: >>> On

Re: [Standards] xep-027 encrypted filetransfers

2012-10-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ake a long time to transfer the file. Another way would be to run your own trusted file transfer proxy, use XEP-0065, and require SSL/TLS on both ends of the proxy. I'm sure there are other solutions, too (e.g., for a while we were discussing something called XTLS). It's not such an ea

Re: [Standards] request for reviews: XMPP internationalization

2012-10-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you send feedback by the end of this week, I can incorporate it into a new version on Monday (the deadline for submitting revised Internet-Drafts before the next IETF meeting). On 10/8/12 1:16 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > As you might know f

Re: [Standards] Stamping on one's head Re: Fwd: Minutes 20121011

2012-10-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
out this very topic last week, so I will introduce you to him offlist in case you want to work together. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECA

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-10-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/12/12 7:53 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 10/12/12 4:07 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: >> On 10/11/2012 10:23 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> On 9/27/12 5:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> >>> (I also won

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-10-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ary to use use 'style' attributes (e.g., this is green). However, where possible it is instead RECOMMENDED to use appropriate structural elements (e.g., and instead of, say, style='font-weight: bold' or style='margin-left: 5%'). Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stp

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction)

2012-10-12 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
an updated version would be forthcoming. I look forward to reviewing the revised spec. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlB40PoA

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-10-12 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 10/12/12 4:07 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: > On 10/11/2012 10:23 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> On 9/27/12 5:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> >>> On 7/31/12 6:43 PM, Mathieu Pasquet wrote: >> >>>> I am also not sure about the and >>>>

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-10-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/27/12 5:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 7/31/12 6:43 PM, Mathieu Pasquet wrote: > >> I am also not sure about the and >> elements: they are shown as a recommended element to support >> (7.8), but the business rule

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Data Forms XML Element

2012-10-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/22/12 7:26 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:47, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > >> On 6/20/12 8:42 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> On 6/20/12 6:03 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: >>>> On 06/20/20

[Standards] request for reviews: XMPP internationalization

2012-10-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ound information, here is the tutorial I presented at the XMPP Summit a few years ago: https://stpeter.im/files/i18n-intro.pdf Thanks! Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla

Re: [Standards] RDFa ? Re: Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ar as I understand it, RFDa is another example of XHTML modularization. Thus it wouldn't fit into the XHTML-IM modularization; instead we'd need to define a new XEP. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwi

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/27/12 9:49 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: > On 09/27/2012 09:38 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> On 8/22/12 2:13 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) >>> wrote: >>>&g

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
s a proper codebase for > XEP validation, because the limitations of console clients do not > allow a full implementation (e.g. font changes, text-decorations > other than underline, relative margins, etc). Yes, that makes sense. Thanks for implementing as much as possible given the for

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/27/12 8:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 8/1/12 3:42 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: > >> On 08/01/2012 07:43 AM, Mathieu Pasquet wrote: >> >>> There is the matter of the tag that accepts a >>> data:base64 as a

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ax >> stanza size to 10 KiB). Usually something between 10k and 64k. But yes, there are restrictions, and I tend to agree that we should strongly prefer pointers to external images over inline data: URLs. > agree. possibly, we need to prefer XEP-231 for that? Probably. I'll look at the XE

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
he message correction spec, or (for microblogging) in the equivalent of "modified tweets"? Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.n

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-09-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
not structured by the sending user agent using XHTML elements and attributes; if the sender wishes text to be structured (e.g., for certain words to be emphasized or for URIs to be linked), the sending user agent MUST represent the text using the appropriate XHTML elements and attributes." P

Re: [Standards] XMPP OAuth2 login at Google

2012-09-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/18/12 12:19 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > On 09/18/2012 08:51 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 9/18/12 11:25 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: >>> On 09/18/2012 08:

Re: [Standards] Question regarding XEP-0077 (In-Band Registration)

2012-09-21 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/21/12 9:44 AM, Todd Herman wrote: >> -Original Message- From: Peter Saint-Andre >> [mailto:stpe...@stpeter.im] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 >> 11:40 AM To: XMPP Standards Cc: Todd Herman Subject: Re: >> [Stand

Re: [Standards] Question regarding XEP-0077 (In-Band Registration)

2012-09-21 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ot; referred to some application (client or > component) that already has an account and would simply use the > registration process to register another use. Is this an accurate > assumption? By "service" we mean something like a multi-user chat service, which you can acc

Re: [Standards] additional mapping in 6122bis

2012-09-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oops, this was meant for x...@ietf.org. Too much multitasking... On 9/18/12 12:42 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > FYI, I'm working on an revised version of 6122bis to align it with > the other PRECIS-related specs. The revisions are smal

[Standards] additional mapping in 6122bis

2012-09-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
(e.g., locale-specific mappings) as a MAY. If there are no concerns/objections, I'll incorporate that update in the next revision. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozi

[Standards] Fwd: Re: [kitten] Google and SASL OAuth

2012-09-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Of interest from the kit...@ietf.org list... Original Message Subject:Re: [kitten] Google and SASL OAuth Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:47:03 -0700 From: Ryan Troll To: Hannes Tschofenig CC: kit...@ietf.org Sure. A little history: - The XMPP implementation

Re: [Standards] XMPP OAuth2 login at Google

2012-09-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/18/12 11:25 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > On 09/18/2012 08:21 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> (Btw, the current XMPP OAuth XEP is also insecure...) >> Calling it "current" is a bit of a stretch.:) It was deferred

Re: [Standards] XMPP OAuth2 login at Google

2012-09-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/18/12 11:16 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > Here is my impression: Since the community OAuth specification > allowed the usage of PLAIN without TLS there is most likely still a > lot of code out there that uses it without any confidentiality > prot

Re: [Standards] XMPP OAuth2 login at Google

2012-09-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/17/12 3:00 PM, Ivan Martinez wrote: > I'm currently considering wether to use OAuth2 or OpenID2 in my > server. Which one do you think will be more adopted as a user > authentication mechanism in XMPP servers?. Which companies are > planing to use

[Standards] changing XEP-0281 to Retracted

2012-09-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As author of XEP-0281, I have changed its state from Deferred to Retracted, since I now favor XEP-0289 instead. Just FYI. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin

Re: [Standards] XMPP OAuth2 login at Google

2012-09-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ds in > applications and rely on 2-step verification with OAuth2 bearer > tokens. Right. Google is deprecating PLAIN for their service (hey, 2-factor is good), but PLAIN is not being deprecated for XMPP in general. Yet... ;-) Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN

Re: [Standards] XMPP OAuth2 login at Google

2012-09-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/11/12 4:24 PM, Lance Stout wrote: > It's a bit annoying that they add an extra attribute to the /> element, because it adds a special case to check in what would > ideally be a fully generic implementation. Fortunately, it doesn't > seem to be re

Re: [Standards] Login with OpenID

2012-09-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
bably it is not yet widely implemented in SASL libraries or in XMPP servers and clients. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECA

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction)

2012-08-31 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
only for security reasons, but > to maintain conversational flow. That seems like a reasonable user interface (not automagically changing the original). Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darw

Re: [Standards] review of XEP-0301, sections 6-14

2012-08-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/23/12 10:32 PM, Mark Rejhon wrote: > Hello Peter, > > Thanks for addressing these! I agree with the majority of this > group of comments. Some questions and inquiries below: > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Peter Sa

Re: [Standards] Comments on XEP-0301 -- Section 1 - TTY

2012-08-23 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
West Touhy Avenue, Skokie, Illinois). I found a scanned-in copy here: http://www.rtty.com/TTYSTORY/ttsindex.htm Or did you want something more modern? Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using Gn

Re: [Standards] review of XEP-0301, sections 1-5 (Advice needed on Peter's comments)

2012-08-23 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
mbining character sequences instead of composite characters. So I think it's fine as-is. >>> I'm not sure how the recipient's client will show a combining >>> mark without a base character, but the potential for user >>> confusion might be high, here. >

[Standards] review of XEP-0301, sections 6-14

2012-08-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
oblematic). In sum, this section isn't really providing much advice about how to *control* congestion (e.g., back off on sending so much data), or the advice is lost amongst the other text. Let's make this stronger. 42. In the schema definition of the element, I think you want xs:choice, n

Re: [Standards] Comments on XEP-0301 -- Section 1

2012-08-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
bother me much. I'm more interested in the technical aspects of the specification at this point. :) Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://

Re: [Standards] Logo image is missing

2012-08-21 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
links. I noticed that recently, too. The images are on the disk but not being served correctly by the webserver. The infrastructure team will investigate. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using

[Standards] Fwd: [Security] Vulnerability in XMPP Server Dialback Implementations

2012-08-21 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI. - Original Message Subject: [Security] Vulnerability in XMPP Server Dialback Implementations Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:03:45 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre Reply-To: XMPP Security To: secur...@xmpp.org As posted at http

Re: [Standards] review of XEP-0301 [ event='reset']

2012-08-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
nology > instead of "Message Reset" terminology) Thanks, Mark. I'll await your further considerations and move along with the remainder of my review. :) Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Com

Re: [Standards] review of XEP-0301 [ event='reset']

2012-08-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/20/12 10:11 AM, Mark Rejhon wrote: > > On 2012-08-20 11:47 AM, "Peter Saint-Andre" <mailto:stpe...@stpeter.im>> wrote: >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 8/20/12 9:3

Re: [Standards] review of XEP-0301 [ event='reset']

2012-08-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
bably fine for both. Clearly, somewhere along the line someone thought that the distinction was valuable (e.g., because a client might have expected a message with a at some point and never received it). That reminds me, is there value in describing the state machine a bit more completely? Peter - --

Re: [Standards] review of XEP-0301 [ event='reset']

2012-08-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
l that. > The recipient can redisplay the real-time message as a result. Redisplay the state of the message so far, or replay how that message was generated? > It allows real-time text conversation to resume quickly, without > waiting for senders to start a new message. > > I lik

Re: [Standards] review of XEP-0301 [ event='reset']

2012-08-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ay what you say, I am > also introducing a potential new confusion about the lack of > distinction between event=new and event=reset. This must be > thought out carefully. Your revision does not solve confusion > without creating a new, separate confusion. To me, reset sou

[Standards] review of XEP-0301, sections 1-5

2012-08-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
mposing composite characters into combining sequences as a recommended practice. In any case, NFC will perform recomposition anyway, so this advice might be moot (or at least confusing). See also: "It is possible for Element – Insert Text to contain any subset sequence

Re: [Standards] File hosting XEP?

2012-08-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
to solve problems and it seems fine to me -- not everything needs to start out as some specification, and XMPP didn't start out that way either. :) Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG

Re: [Standards] File hosting XEP?

2012-08-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/16/12 1:50 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: > On 08/15/2012 10:22 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> On 8/14/12 2:43 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: >>> Also, we need an ability to make a link to files, which, >>> possibly, will nee

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction)

2012-08-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/15/12 9:16 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Peter Saint-Andre > wrote: >> In a chatroom I frequent, someone just used last message >> correction, which my client does not support... >> >>

Re: [Standards] File hosting XEP?

2012-08-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
e file host would advertise the existence of the files using something like XEP-0137 (or its Jingle equivalent - -- this is currently unspecified in XEP-0234 but I think we need to add it). > So, if we want to take care about finish, which XEP should it be? > What is the other nuances or gu

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction)

2012-08-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ould be significant and subject to abuse. > I don't object to progressing 308 to Draft. It's not a hill for me to die on. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - h

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction)

2012-08-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/15/12 8:51 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Peter Saint-Andre > wrote: >> On 8/15/12 8:28 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: >>>> In fact, I'd argue that this spec is a technical solution to >>

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction)

2012-08-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
y to make such corrections by changing the last message instead of explaining the error in a new message? Realistically, so few clients will support this extension that it'll be as if it doesn't exist. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version:

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction)

2012-08-14 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/14/12 9:51 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 8/13/12 3:03 PM, Andreas Kuckartz wrote: >> Kurt Zeilenga: >>> From a user perspective, often what I want to correct isn't >>> the last stanza I sent. > >>

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction)

2012-08-14 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
mistakes when typing such messages (as people do in email messages to lists like this one). Do you have the ability to edit every email message you've ever sent? No, so just get over it. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0220 (Server Dialback)

2012-08-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
so we can push this to Draft before long. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

[Standards] Deprecating some Draft XEPs

2012-08-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
regard to these specifications? Converting some of them to Deprecated makes sense to me, subject to meeting certain criteria (age, lack of use, poor design). Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] Comments on XEP-0301 (possible impact on -0308 in Section 4.2.3)

2012-08-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ight cost me money by running up my bandwidth usage). > Section 9: > > How does XMPP indicate that a message should be displayed LTR or RTL? Is > that derived from the language indicated in the tag? This is legal: > > This would display left-to-right > > In any case,

Re: [Standards] FW: pubsub question related to notification events

2012-08-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
e an interest, please join the pubsub@ list: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/pubsub Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] FW: pubsub question related to notification events

2012-08-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
liation -notifications" in > http://jabber.org/protocol/pubsub#event namespace (where I think it's > more consistent with the rest of the events). Well, I said I would flag this as an open issue, and I suppose it still is, because I haven't gotten around to working on revisions to XEP-0060. :( However, I think we have agreement that this is an error in the spec. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] FW: pubsub question related to notification events

2012-08-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
o think it would be good to validate it with existing implementations. I'll forward this reply to the pub...@xmpp.org list to poke them in case they're not paying attention here. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 -- embedding small illustrative animated GIF into spec

2012-08-01 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
is still the record of authority here. > > > - m&m > > Matthew A. Miller <http://goo.gl/LK55L> > > On Aug 1, 2012, at 07:46, Mark Rejhon wrote: > >> Note: Precedent on image embeds exists -- an example image is >> embedded into XHTML-IM (XEP-0071). &g

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 0.5 comments [Sections 1 through 5]

2012-08-01 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
/NOT required/NOT REQUIRED/) > Basic Real-Time Text allows you to transmit message changes via > Message Reset, so there are situations where you're always using an > 'event' attribute for all elements. > How can the wording be tweaked, so that circumstance is accomodated for? There's no such thing as NOT REQUIRED in RFC 2119. I suggest changing it to "The event attribute is not necessary..." Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 0.5 comments [Sections 1 through 5]

2012-08-01 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
one works at Cisco doesn't mean they would have any awareness of the JABBER trademark. But we can chat about that off-list. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-07-31 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 7/31/12 2:58 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > If you have any comments about advancing XEP-0071 from Draft to Final, > please provide them by the close of business on Friday, August 31, 2012. Section 12.4 of XEP-0071 (version 1.4) reads in full: ### 12.4 W3C Review The XHTML 1.0 Integ

[Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

2012-07-31 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ions to address feedback received, after which it will be presented to the XMPP Council for voting to a status of Final. You can review the specification here: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0071.html Please send all feedback to the standards@xmpp.org discussion list. Thanks! Peter -- Pe

Re: [Standards] Partial data forms

2012-07-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
y in XEP-0045 at least. I've always thought that #2 was the right approach, but I agree that we might not have made that perfectly clear in XEP-0004 and the specs that use data forms. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

[Standards] Fwd: [Summit] XMPP summit in October...

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI. Please post follow-ups to the sum...@xmpp.org list. http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/summit /psa Original Message Subject: [Summit] XMPP summit in October... Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:21:40 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre Reply-To: XMPP Summit To: XMPP Summit

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0301 (In-Band Real Time Text) -- candidate for LAST CALL

2012-07-21 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
ence edits/moves, in approximately 15 > locations, no protocol changes over 0.4. I see no harm in publishing 0.5 -- that way, folks will be reviewing the latest and greatest. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0301 (In-Band Real Time Text) -- candidate for LAST CALL

2012-07-21 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 7/21/12 9:01 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mark Rejhon wrote: >> Can someone else outside the R3TF also comment about the inclusion of a >> small TTY/textphone paragraph in Interoperability considerations? (Yea's >> and Nay's -- I know I've gotten a couple of Nay's

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction)- Interop with XEP 0301 RTT

2012-07-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
easonable; in any case, let's all review version 0.4 of XEP-0301 with that goal in mind. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction)- Interop with XEP 0301 RTT

2012-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
_reset>. > ___ I *think* that is fine, but I will look at the issue again once I've had a chance to review both XEP-0301 0.4 and XEP-0308 in more detail. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction)- Interop with XEP 0301 RTT

2012-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
LL before the end of > this > > month (I was hoping for earlier, but there's been so much > discussion), so we > > can bring both 0301 and 0308 to Draft status roughly > simultaneously -- I > > will go ahead and immediately add the 'id' parameter to XEP-0301. > > I'm happy to ask for LC on 308. > > > Ok, agreed. > > I am now extending XEP-0301 to support real-time retroactive editing, > since it'll inflate the spec by only approximately two paragraphs or so. > My goal is to send a v0.4 update to XEP-0301, and ask you to review it > to tell me if you think it's ready for LAST CALL. If it is, then let's > commence, shall we? :-) Sounds good! Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

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