Re: [Standards] [XEP-0384] OMEMO: MUST silently discard [..]

2018-12-01 Thread forenjunkie
Hi, As Daniel wrote, MUST is probably to strong here, it is enough to mention that it can lead to problems if you dont discard such messages. If you have a client that always shows the user if a decryption fails, this also means you need a client that has absolute perfect deduplication in any

Re: [Standards] XEP-0313: Treatment of type=groupchat in user archive with or without hint

2017-11-23 Thread forenjunkie
I agree that for “catch-up”, it’s not particularly useful, but knowing exactly what messages you’ve seen is. Makes sense if we see the Archive as Store of all messages we have seen. I often forget thats that the original idea, because of OMEMO PFS i does not serv that purpose. Also if we

Re: [Standards] XEP-0313: Treatment of type=groupchat in user archive with or without hint

2017-11-23 Thread forenjunkie
is and what would client developers want? i also found this out the hard way, thats why i drop all messages type=groupchat immediatly on a user archiv query. i dont see a use for this. ___ Standards mailing list Info:

Re: [Standards] XEP-0384: OMEMO Encryption - Feedbacks and proposals

2017-01-06 Thread forenjunkie
Hi, I see no downside with your proposal, but the upsides are not as plenty as you described. 1. every client gets notified already if a update to the device list is made, otherwise OMEMO would not work half of the time 2. there is no code that is added *only* to prevent the race

Re: [Standards] Unread syncing

2016-12-02 Thread forenjunkie
for every contact in roster, and perform some SQL magic on query. it would send you a list of contacts and afterwards you could start querying the archive for messages of these contacts. Am 02.12.2016 um 17:14 schrieb Kevin Smith: On 2 Dec 2016, at 16:03, forenjunkie <forenjun...@chello

Re: [Standards] Unread syncing

2016-12-02 Thread forenjunkie
XEP, you can filter with various attributes, you dont have to step through EVERY message. Am 02.12.2016 um 16:57 schrieb Kevin Smith: On 2 Dec 2016, at 15:49, forenjunkie <forenjun...@chello.at> wrote: Its not written down somewhere that its up to the client, but it makes no sense to pu

Re: [Standards] Unread syncing

2016-12-02 Thread forenjunkie
, then you know everything that comes before that was already read so i dont have to query it. Am 02.12.2016 um 16:34 schrieb Kevin Smith: On 2 Dec 2016, at 15:26, forenjunkie <forenjun...@chello.at> wrote: in a single chat conversation, it makes no sense to query unread messages

Re: [Standards] Unread syncing

2016-12-02 Thread forenjunkie
Hi, in a single chat conversation, it makes no sense to query unread messages. you could just query the last 10 MAM Messages, if no readmarker comes with it, query another 10. such a implementation of MAM would be very weird to me, but you could do it and get only unread messages with it. So

Re: [Standards] "Self-destruct" message timeout deletion hints

2016-11-01 Thread forenjunkie
But it doesnt work with a decentral, open source kind of system. a feature like that depends on the other side deleting the message. you are lying to your users the minute you offer this feature in your client and not show a disclaimer. you promise the message will self destruct, but you can