On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 06:55:01AM -0500, Nelson, Laird wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jason Rosenblum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > how do you people live without the refactoring tools
> > provided by IDEs like Eclipse and IntelliJ?
>
> We type fast. :-)
>
> No, but seriously:
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Rosenblum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> how do you people live without the refactoring tools
> provided by IDEs like Eclipse and IntelliJ?
We type fast. :-)
No, but seriously: I'm stupid enough that if I don't do the refactoring
myself, laborious line by
A lot of the power of emacs is contained in it's commands - not just the
key-sequences. I'm sure vi users would say the same thing about vi (or
vim). Eclipse is certainly a very nifty IDE though - and it's evident
they're fighting to be/stay on top.
David Graham wrote:
Eclipse has an emacs k
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Subject: Re: Why are people are up on Struts
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:48:10 -0600
micael wrote:
Anyone who calls vim "vi" is simply not in a position to judge it.
Anyway, I do understand the initial eas
When I fire up "vi", it calls itself vim, so ... yes and no. I use it
lots of times actually (for super-simple in/out type stuff) - but I
haven't really attempted to learn more about it than I already know.
micael wrote:
The fact that you have vi does not mean you don't have vim, Eddy. Did
y
The fact that you have vi does not mean you don't have vim, Eddy. Did you
try vim?
At 01:48 PM 12/14/2002 -0600, you wrote:
micael wrote:
Anyone who calls vim "vi" is simply not in a position to judge it.
Anyway, I do understand the initial ease of a GUI. I like the speed you
get after spend
micael wrote:
Anyone who calls vim "vi" is simply not in a position to judge it.
Anyway, I do understand the initial ease of a GUI. I like the speed
you get after spending a half-hour to an hour learning something like
vim. I hate moving a mouse around and would rather do it with my
finger
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Subject: Re: Why are people are up on Struts
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 08:20, Ted Husted wrote:
> 12/12/2002 5:29:23 AM, Joseph Ottinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Why are people are up on Struts
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 08:20, Ted Husted wrote:
> 12/12/2002 5:29:23 AM, Joseph Ottinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Ted Husted wrote:
> >> Given the large commu
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> From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> I can live with vi if it's forced upon me, but I
If you are not using vim, you don't know vi.
At 01:00 PM 12/13/2002 -0600, you wrote:
I can live with vi if it's forced upon me, but I much prefer Emacs.
'Course nowadays, assuming you're using an x terminal (or are on windows)
both of them are fairly easily used through their toolbars ... at l
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Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Why are people are up on Struts
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:43:35 -0600
LOL - which is one reason why I pr
Many years ago, it took me about five minutes after starting to use
Emacs with a PC keyboard that I had to get the Ctrl and CapsLock keys
switched. It's much easier once you get that done.
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Eddi
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Eddie Bush wrote:
> I can live with vi if it's forced upon me, but I much prefer Emacs.
> 'Course nowadays, assuming you're using an x terminal (or are on
> windows) both of them are fairly easily used through their toolbars ...
> at least, I think vim has one now (or can p
how do you people live without the refactoring tools
provided by IDEs like Eclipse and IntelliJ?
~Jason
--- Eddie Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can live with vi if it's forced upon me, but I
> much prefer Emacs.
> 'Course nowadays, assuming you're using an x
> terminal (or are on
> win
gt; > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:15 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Why are people are up on Struts
> >
> >
> > Normally a reader only in this list, but here are 2 cents...
> >
> > With a basic knowledge of Emacs, Ant
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> -Original Message-
> From: Benjamin Tomasini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:15 AM
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> Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Why ar
Here, here! \C-c SPC Esc-> \M-x indent-region
I'm reminded of being a lab assistant when I was still in school.
"Kids" that were taking programming 1 for their "foreign language"
credits would constantly as "Why is this doing that?" type of questions
-- *many* of which could have been easily r
Normally a reader only in this list, but here are 2 cents...
With a basic knowledge of Emacs, Ant, and Perl you can conquer the world
faster than with any IDE I know of. And conquer it from pretty much any
shell - bash, X, even Windows!
Plus, Emacs is great for cleaning up messy code. Its inden
> -Original Message-
> From: Phase Web and Multimedia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Wow, are guys geezers? vi!? emacs!? I just use my ssh secure shell by
> ssh.com and use the file browser to locate the file and edit
> it locally then
> when i click save it conveniently loads it back on the
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:01 PM
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> Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Why are people are up on Struts
>
>
> I can live with vi if it's forced upon me, but I much prefer Emacs.
> 'Course nowadays, assuming you're using an x terminal (or
I can live with vi if it's forced upon me, but I much prefer Emacs.
'Course nowadays, assuming you're using an x terminal (or are on
windows) both of them are fairly easily used through their toolbars ...
at least, I think vim has one now (or can perhaps - nearly certain). I
suppose that's for
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Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Why are people are up on Struts
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:43:35 -0600
LOL - which is one reason why I prefer Emacs :-) ... that, and, for the
astute observer, Emacs shows you how to *exit* as soon as you start it
(assuming you open it with no arguments)!
LOL - which is one reason why I prefer Emacs :-) ... that, and, for the
astute observer, Emacs shows you how to *exit* as soon as you start it
(assuming you open it with no arguments)!! If there's one thing I
dispise, it's getting trapped in a )@(#%*& program - and, yes, when I
was first lear
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Subject: Re: Why are people are up on Struts
Date: 13 Dec 2002 11:08:28 -0500
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 08:20, Ted Husted wrote:
> 12/12/2002 5:29:23 AM, Joseph Ottinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Ted Hust
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 08:20, Ted Husted wrote:
> 12/12/2002 5:29:23 AM, Joseph Ottinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Ted Husted wrote:
> >> Given the large community behind Struts, we do have our share
> >> of zealots. And, I agree that people who believe Struts is
> >> "
12/12/2002 5:29:23 AM, Joseph Ottinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Ted Husted wrote:
>> Given the large community behind Struts, we do have our share
>> of zealots. And, I agree that people who believe Struts is
>> "42" are not being realistic.
>I think it goes back to a lo
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