Presentation Forms to Business Views

2002-12-23 Thread Darrel Riekhof
Just getting started with struts, going through the oreilly book. I've implemented my presentation layer with struts, and now I'm working on interfacing it with my business layer. The book recommends converting your form classes to DTO view classes before passing the data to the business tier to

Access external file from web application

2002-12-23 Thread Amit Badheka
Hi All, Is there any way to access a file(image,..etc) from the web application. the path of the image is dynamically generated. The requirement is that we have to upload a image file and store it to somewhere on server at dynamically generated path. Now, Problem is how I should refer this

RE: Access external file from web application

2002-12-23 Thread shirishchandra . sakhare
use html:image tag... And generate the path dynamically something like... %!String imagePath=; % %imagePath=session.getAttribute(path);//can be any logic u have to generate the image path...Better if u can put this logic in action and put just the path attribute on form:-)) ...% html:img

Re: Presentation Forms to Business Views

2002-12-23 Thread Eddie Bush
BeanUtils.populate(dtoObject, formObject); How is that a big PITA? If the core object is actually storing data in the correct types, you'll lose user input when conversions fail. The goal of most folks is to present the user with their exact, incorrect input for correction. That's why the

Re: Access external file from web application

2002-12-23 Thread Eddie Bush
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: use html:image tag... And generate the path dynamically something like... %!String imagePath=; % If I know my JSP correctly, %! is a declarator -- and those things you declare in this fashion are instance-level variables. In other words this is *not* thread-safe.

Re: Access external file from web application

2002-12-23 Thread Eddie Bush
So, basically what you're looking for is some way to dynamically set the directory that the files are stored in? You could do that easily with a property file. Your end user would set the appropriate property in some properties file that is in the classpath of the application server and then

form generated code error

2002-12-23 Thread Míguel Ángel Mulero Martínez
I’ve got a JSP with several forms. For example: html:form action=busquedaProgramasAction.do /html:form html:form action=busquedaNoticiasAction.do ….. /html:form …. In this way I’ve got 6 forms in the same JSP. The struts-config.xml is like: action

Re: Access external file from web application

2002-12-23 Thread Amit Badheka
Hi, So, basically what you're looking for is some way to dynamically set the directory that the files are stored in? You could do that easily with a property file. Your end user would set the appropriate property in some properties file that is in the classpath of the application server

Re: Presentation Forms to Business Views

2002-12-23 Thread Darrel Riekhof
Cool, didn't know about BeanUtils. I've got tomcat 4.1.18 and struts 1.1 b2. Do I already have BeanUtils somewhere? I see its in the Jakarta Commons package, should I grab a certain version of it? Darrel Eddie Bush wrote: BeanUtils.populate(dtoObject, formObject); How is that a big PITA?

Re: Presentation Forms to Business Views

2002-12-23 Thread Eddie Bush
If you're using Struts, you have it. Struts relies on it. Darrel Riekhof wrote: Cool, didn't know about BeanUtils. I've got tomcat 4.1.18 and struts 1.1 b2. Do I already have BeanUtils somewhere? I see its in the Jakarta Commons package, should I grab a certain version of it? Darrel

RE: OptionsCollection and default value

2002-12-23 Thread John Menke
Actually first just to appease me/us do a bean:write property=taskCodeType right before you do the select options portion in your jsp. Then also view source of the page and see what you have listed as the values of the options (maybe your values aren't matching what is displayed, assuming

Re: Access external file from web application

2002-12-23 Thread Eddie Bush
Amit Badheka wrote: Hi, So, basically what you're looking for is some way to dynamically set the directory that the files are stored in? You could do that easily with a property file. Your end user would set the appropriate property in some properties file that is in the classpath of the

ActionErrors - html:errors/

2002-12-23 Thread Puneet Agarwal
In our application we have to show the errors, warnings, and informative messages to the users in a separate pop-up modal-window. (This is not for logging purpose as provided by Log4J). If we use ActionErrors, for this purpose, we shall have two problems 1. How to categories them as Fatal,

Re: Iterate Tag Implementation

2002-12-23 Thread Puneet Agarwal
You want some sample code, alright here you go: html:form name=myForm action=bla-bla type=bla-bla logic:iterate name=myProperty id=id1 indexId=x type=java.lang.String[] script arrayVar[bean:write name=x /]=bean:write name=id1 / /script /logic:iterate /html:form Regards Puneet /html:formOn Mon,

RE: Iterate Tag Implementation

2002-12-23 Thread Beeson, Ashley
This will create something like script arrayVar[0]=0; /script script arrayVar[1]=1; /script script arrayVar[2]=2; /script script arrayVar[3]=3; /script What you probably want is this: html:form name=myForm action=bla-bla type=bla-bla script logic:iterate name=myProperty id=id1 indexId=x

RE: ActionErrors - html:errors/

2002-12-23 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
You can use the property attribute of html:errors/ In your Action or in your FormBean you save your errors under an appropriate key : In an action : ActionErrors errors = new ActionErrors(); errors.add(Constants.FATAL_LEVEL, new ActionError()); or errors.add(Constants.ERROR_LEVEL, new

Error loading struts-config

2002-12-23 Thread Howard Miller
Hi, I am just setting up a new Struts project. I have the Action servlet set up and a struts-config.xml with almost nothing in it. When the war is installed the servlet starts and then throws this error... 2002-12-23 13:47:11 StandardContext[/quest]: Servlet /quest threw load() exception

RE: Error loading struts-config

2002-12-23 Thread Siggelkow, Bill
The error sounds like the servlet cannot even find struts-config.xml. Check the war to make sure struts-config is really there and in the WEB-INF folder. You can open the war with WinZip. Also, make sure that the folder WEB-INF is in all caps. -Original Message- From: Howard Miller

Layers (was RE: [Book Review] Struts Kick Start)

2002-12-23 Thread Chappell, Simon P
Jacob, Thanks for the kind words, your check is in the mail! :-) To discuss the issue a little more here: I am a great believer in layers. I'm also a great believer in having the right type and number of layers. This means that I believe it is possible to have not enough layers and it is VERY

RE: Error loading struts-config

2002-12-23 Thread Robert Taylor
Looks like the ActionServlet cannot find the config file at all. Make sure the config parameter of the ActionServlet entry in web.xml is pointing to the struts-config.xml file. robert -Original Message- From: Howard Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002

RE: Error loading struts-config

2002-12-23 Thread Stephen . Chambers
I'm not certain, but are you sure that your DTD's are being found? We once had a similar problem due to firewall issues. Steve Robert

RE: Struts beta 2 and Tomcat 4.1.18

2002-12-23 Thread Donald Dwoske
I saw something similar on Friday, but haven't debugged it yet. I tried a quick switch from Weblogic to Tomcat, and the null pointer exception I was getting was caused by my Action receiving a null Form Bean. I believe that if you link to myPage.do , the Struts framework will create an empty

Re: no getter method for property phoneList

2002-12-23 Thread Jitendra Singh
I am trying as given on the apache server ... but getting this error..Please tell me if i am missing something. com.ibm.servlet.engine.webapp.WebAppErrorReport: No getter method for property adminRight(2) of bean org.apache.struts.taglib.html.BEAN my jsp says : html:text property=adminRight(2)/

Securing a download

2002-12-23 Thread Christophe Vigouroux
Hi all, Here is my problem: I have a user which is granted access to some files to download. I want to put all the files downloadable by all the users in a common directory (many users may download the same file), but with the possibility to deny the download to users not identified by my

RE: Access external file from web application

2002-12-23 Thread Siggelkow, Bill
I built an application on WLS 6.1 using Struts 1.0 that supported display of user-uploaded content. Several keys to this were: 1) I had to deploy the web app in exploded format 2) If WLS was run in Production Mode I had to call a little runtime script that deployed (refreshed) the new content

RE: no getter method for property phoneList

2002-12-23 Thread Siggelkow, Bill
Try using -- html:text property=adminRight[2]/ -Original Message- From: Jitendra Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:32 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: no getter method for property phoneList I am trying as given on the apache server ... but

Re: no getter method for property phoneList

2002-12-23 Thread Jitendra Singh
got it .. thanks Jitendra - Original Message - From: Siggelkow, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:14 PM Subject: RE: no getter method for property phoneList Try using -- html:text property=adminRight[2]/

How to set formbean properties without asking the user

2002-12-23 Thread Tobias Flohre
Hello, I have a probably very simple question: I have a form like this: html:form action=/personalplanungEditShow name=personalplanungEditForm type=PersonalplanungEditForm td class=mitteobenhtml:image src=images/icons/editsmall.gif property =editieren%=index.intValue()% alt=Editieren //td

RE: Securing a download

2002-12-23 Thread Remke Rutgers
Hi Christophe, This looks very similar to a problem I had (and I bet we are not the only ones). Some codes snippets from the RetrieveFileServlet I wrote (a modified version of code from Wrox 'Professional JSP, 2nd edition'). In your doGet(): // I omitted the exception handling and stream

RE: How to set formbean properties without asking the user

2002-12-23 Thread Siggelkow, Bill
You could use a hidden field with the value equal to the value of the scripting variable .. html:hidden name=personalplanungEditForm property=someProperty value='%=theScriptingVariable%'/ -Original Message- From: Tobias Flohre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002

RE : Securing a download

2002-12-23 Thread Christophe Vigouroux
Great, it just works as I wished! Thanks a lot!! Christophe VIGOUROUX ECILIA - Ingénieur développement Tel: 04.78.68.46.14 Fax: 04.37.43.69.01 -Message d'origine- De : Remke Rutgers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : lundi 23 décembre 2002 16:10 À : 'Struts Users Mailing List' Objet :

RE: How to set formbean properties without asking the user

2002-12-23 Thread Tobias Flohre
Hi again, using a hidden field is a good idea, but I just can set a simple java type into the value. I need to write a complex object into the property of my bean! Does anybody know how I can do that without using java? Thanks, Tobias

Re: Pre-populating Form Bean

2002-12-23 Thread Austin Lowry
Mark, We just happen to be fighting a similar problems today. Someone please correct me if I am off base here, which jugding by my results I am, but shouldn't this work (psudo-code): 1. MyForm myForm = (MyForm)form; 2. myForm.getValues() -- myStateObject.setValues(); 3. myStateObject.save(); 4.

java.util.Dates and Struts

2002-12-23 Thread Jim Krygowski
I've been chatting with Rick Reumann, author of the very nice DateBeanUtilsConverter solution to dealing with java.util.Dates within Struts (and by extension BeanUtils). I'm broadening the discussion to the struts group because I'd like to bounce my observations off of a wider audience. The

Re: java.util.Dates and Struts

2002-12-23 Thread Rick Reumann
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:49:04 -0500 Jim Krygowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my test: ... String input = null; // check to make sure the datatype is right input = 2002-03-17; Date dateValue = (Date)ConvertUtils.convert(input, Date.class);

RE: java.util.Dates and Struts

2002-12-23 Thread Jim Krygowski
Hi Rick- I should have deleted the first block of code. It's not exactly misleading, but it unfocuses my point. I apologise for that. I'm spread a little thin so the email quality control is suffering ;-). The key thing to notice is this: 1.HashMap values = new HashMap(); 2.

RE: java.util.Dates and Struts

2002-12-23 Thread Jim Krygowski
It seems like the only way things work out properly in the rendering phase is to have a ValueObject that contains the Date properties and an ActionForm that has a String for each Date on the ValueObject. This is what I was originally hoping to avoid. My ActionForm contains graphs of ValueObjects

Problem with simple welcome.jsp page

2002-12-23 Thread Sterin, Ilya
I'm having a problem displaying the page. I'm using the logon example from the Struts in Action book, but substituted the .jsp pages with my own versions. Now, before I did the substitutions, it displayed the default welcome page, provided with example, when I substituted with my own and

Re: java.util.Dates and Struts

2002-12-23 Thread Rick Reumann
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:32:13 -0500 Jim Krygowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like the only way things work out properly in the rendering phase is to have a ValueObject that contains the Date properties and an ActionForm that has a String for each Date on the ValueObject. This is what I

RE: Problem with simple welcome.jsp page

2002-12-23 Thread James Mitchell
I've had those same problems in the past. Here's how I troubleshoot it. 1. Browser Make sure that the browser isn't caching the page. Verify your settings, and if still in doubt, close the browser and open a new one. 2. Container Is the container re-compiling the jsp? Check the settings in

RE: Problem with simple welcome.jsp page

2002-12-23 Thread Greg.Reddin
Also compare the modified date of your file with the one your container has compiled. If your modified date is older than the one Tomcat is using, Tomcat will not recompile it -- assuming you're using Tomcat. Not sure how other containers behave. +1 on the delete idea. That's usually what I

RE: java.util.Dates and Struts

2002-12-23 Thread Jim Krygowski
Hi Rick- Yep, you've got it. I had the formatting tags you suggest in the back of my mind all along. But when I saw the converters you created, they looked like a really elegant solution. Unfortunately, I sort of forced my own set of assumptions on them (cognitive dissonance?). Still, I can

RE: How to set formbean properties without asking the user

2002-12-23 Thread Siggelkow, Bill
Can you provide more details? When you are dealing with forms, the basic types are either String or booleans. Perhaps what you want to do is best handled in your Action that processes the form. It sounds like you need to make an object available in let's say the request scope and then have

Re: java.util.Dates and Struts

2002-12-23 Thread Rick Reumann
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:33:59 -0500 Jim Krygowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As regards the tags, I would like to render an html input type=text. As far as I know, you can't nest tags so... html:text name=myForm property=myDate value=fmt:formatDate pattern=MM/dd/yy

RE: Error loading struts-config

2002-12-23 Thread Howard Miller
That's what I thought! BUT... No! The struts-config.xml file is safely in the .war file. A jar -tf produces. WEB-INF/lib/xercesImpl.jar WEB-INF/lib/xmlParserAPIs.jar WEB-INF/struts-bean.tld WEB-INF/struts-config.xml WEB-INF/struts-html.tld WEB-INF/struts-logic.tld WEB-INF/struts-nested.tld

RE: Error loading struts-config

2002-12-23 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Howard Miller wrote: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:03:20 - From: Howard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Error loading struts-config

RE: Error loading struts-config

2002-12-23 Thread Howard Miller
Ahhh... easy enough answer to that question... Because I don't know what I'm doing!!! Anyway... spot on. That nailed it. Thanks for your help. HM On 23 Dec 2002 at 11:07, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Howard Miller wrote: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:03:20 -

RE: java.util.Dates and Struts

2002-12-23 Thread Jim Krygowski
Hi Rick- In the real world case, my form bean is merely a container for collections of ValueObjects. It doesn't have any properties outside of getters and setters for collections. The value objects within the collections have java.util.Date properties which I'm interested in rendering to the

RE: Problem with simple welcome.jsp page

2002-12-23 Thread Sterin, Ilya
Thanks to all that responded, clearing the tomcat cache did the job:-) Thanks a bunch. My tomcat was set to reload on each request, but not sure why it didn't:-) Appreciate everyone's help. Ilya -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December

Tiles Factory use

2002-12-23 Thread Jay Burrill
I'm a Tiles newbie and am having difficulty implementing a tiles definition factory properly. I've created the definitions XML file, added the struts-config plug-in/, and the taglib/ in web.xml. And I see the factory created in the appserver console. But how do I then access the definition

struts-config: action's input attribute purpose

2002-12-23 Thread otisg
Hello, Warning: new Struts user. Trying to use it with Velocity, actually. I'm writing struts-config.xml for my web app and I'm wondering about 'input' attribute of the 'action' element. What is it for, and how is it used? I am asking because I see mixed examples - some using that attribute,

RE: struts-config: action's input attribute purpose

2002-12-23 Thread Siggelkow, Bill
Following is taken verbatim from the struts-config.dtd input Module-relative path of the action or other resource to which control should be returned if a validation error is encountered. Valid only when name is specified. Required

embedding dynamic text in value of text field

2002-12-23 Thread Richard Doust
Hi. I have a form that wants to get the initial value for a html:text field from a property of a bean associated with a different form on the page. I have tried this: html:text property=userName value=c:out value=${foo.userName}// and this: html:text property=userName value=${foo.userName}/ but

Re: RE: struts-config: action's input attribute purpose

2002-12-23 Thread otisg
Thanks. Of course, I was looking at the DTD yesterday, but today I forgot about it :( Otis On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Siggelkow, Bill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Following is taken verbatim from the struts-config.dtd input Module-relative path of the action or other resource to

RE: embedding dynamic text in value of text field

2002-12-23 Thread David Bolsover
Hi I'm sure there must be a better way but I have used code like this to solve similar problem: % String temp = ((cast.to.object.type)pageContext.getAttribute(foo, pageContext.PAGE_SCOPE)).getUserName(); % html:text property=userName value=%= temp % / db -Original Message- From:

RE: embedding dynamic text in value of text field

2002-12-23 Thread Karr, David
You can't use EL expressions with the base Struts tag library. They will only work if you're using the contributed Struts-EL tag library, from the contrib directory. You'll have to make sure your taglib directive specifies the correct TLD, and you'll probably want to use a different prefix

Website searching

2002-12-23 Thread Darrel Riekhof
Does struts provide any support for website searches? I'd like to implement something like http://java.sun.com has in the upper right corner, that finds all the matches of a text string in the website's pages. Are there any opensource tools that do this kind of thing? Darrel -- To

RE: Website searching

2002-12-23 Thread Justin Ashworth
You can use Struts as a frontend to a Lucene-powered search engine. Lucene is another Apache Jakarta project. You can find more info here: http://jakarta.apache.org/lucene Justin -Original Message- From: Darrel Riekhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 6:40

JSP: Getting a Bean

2002-12-23 Thread Michael P. Jones
Hello- I have been using Struts for about a year now, however I have only used it with Stxx. All of these taglibs are new to me. I'm certain this is a very basic question but I have yet to figure it out... I have an Object in a FormBean I want to pull the Object from the FormBean and then get

regarding Struts-html.tld's text tag

2002-12-23 Thread usha
Hi can anybody know why i am getting the following error i am using struts-html tag like this html:text size=22 property=shortname/ if i add the value attribute to the above tag its working fine otherwise its giving the following error javax.servlet.ServletException: Cannot find bean

RE: regarding Struts-html.tld's text tag

2002-12-23 Thread Karr, David
Let's see. Is this inside a valid form element? Do you have the ActionServlet set with a load-on-startup element? -Original Message- From: usha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hi can anybody know why i am getting the following error i am using struts-html tag like this

Re: regarding Struts-html.tld's text tag

2002-12-23 Thread usha
Hi Karr you mean to say that struts-html form element then no. i have this inside a html form tag form. yes i have the load-on-startup element in the actionservlet set Thanks usha Karr, David wrote: Let's see. Is this inside a valid form element? Do you have the ActionServlet set with a

[OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread Micael
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Re: regarding Struts-html.tld's text tag

2002-12-23 Thread David Graham
The text tag must be used within an html:form tag. Look at the user's guide for more details: http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/userGuide/struts-html.html#text David From: usha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL

RE: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread James Mitchell
+1 trying-to-stay-politically-correct ...and a very Merry Christmas to you (if you believe in that sort of thing). /trying-to-stay-politically-correct -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Open Source Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it

Re: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread Eddie Bush
Yes - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all! Please be safe and have fun! Look out for the plethora of idiots that are likely to be on the road!! -- Eddie Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread Daniel Joshua
Season greetings to all Struts Developers ~! Regards, Daniel -Original Message- From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:06 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE Yes - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to

RE: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, James Mitchell wrote: +1 trying-to-stay-politically-correct ...and a very Merry Christmas to you (if you believe in that sort of thing). /trying-to-stay-politically-correct not-giving-a-rip-about-political-correctness Let us all spend some time this joyous season

RE: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread James Turner
With apologies to Clement Clarke Moore 'twas the night before Christmas, and all 'cross the net. Not a user was typing, the code was all set. The patches were entered and each file was checked in, In hopes that 1.2 New Years would bring. The coders were nestled all snug by their LANs. With

Can't map HTML form action to Struts action

2002-12-23 Thread otisg
Hello, I am having difficulties hooking up an HTML form action to an action mapping defined in struts-config.xml. This is the Struts HEAD from CVS. I am using Struts with Velocity. I can get .vm templates to load, but can't get things like HTML form submission action to map to a Struts action.

Problems in using Bulk Accessor Objects.

2002-12-23 Thread Alok Garg
Hello All, I am using the following :: 1) I have a BulkAccessor class named StyleGeneralInfoModel for my EJB. 2) I have created an Object of this BulkAccessor in my FormBean named ProductForm class. 3) I want to access a property of my StyleGeneralInfoModel into my JSP page. It was possible to do

Re: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread Rick Reumann
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:41:02 -0800 (PST) Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not-giving-a-rip-about-political-correctness Let us all spend some time this joyous season reflecting on the magnitude of a God that would bother to create the likes of us, and His willingness to sacrifice

RE: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread James Mitchell
Oh WOWthat is really good. I think I'll post it to the Wiki http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?MerryChristmas -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Open Source Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you

Re: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread Rick Reumann
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:10:28 -0500 James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh WOWthat is really good. I think I'll post it to the Wiki http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?MerryChristmas I wonder when my wife and I have kids if she'll let me read that version to them by the

struts-layout taglibraries

2002-12-23 Thread usha
Hi anybody is using the struts-layout taglibraries. i wanted to know how to use this with strutsv1.0.2. thanks usha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread James Turner
I wonder when my wife and I have kids if she'll let me read that version to them by the fireplace:) For some reason I don't think it'll fly with her:) -- Rick The mind boggles at the logic extension of this line of reason: DAD: Now kids, be good or Santa Craig will leave you copies of

RE: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread James Mitchell
I threatened mine with DOS. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Open Source Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. - Bjarne Stroustrup -Original Message- From: James

Re: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread Eddie Bush
Thank God there are still some folks out there that know what the holidays are supposed to be about! ... and thank God we are blessed with such excellent leadership! Like Aaron Tippin said: You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything. ... or ... said more elegantly in the

Re: [OT] HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE

2002-12-23 Thread Eddie Bush
LOL - stop it guys! My sides are gonna split right out! James Turner wrote: I wonder when my wife and I have kids if she'll let me read that version to them by the fireplace:) For some reason I don't think it'll fly with her:) -- Rick The mind boggles at the logic extension of this