Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Well, my impression is that at the moment we have a well defined educational vision and a pretty solid UX design based on it. What we lack is an hardware+software platform to run it on. So I don't think trying to find a solution for that is getting "bogged down", all the contrary. On Tuesday, 5 No

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Sorry for the top posting, quoting on gmail on iPhone is a pain. * I'm glad that you see some runway for the XO and I really hope you are right, it would be awesome. I think even just the uncertainity is a big issue for upstream development at the moment. Not knowing if anyone is going to build F2

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might have an interesting >> marketing effect but the result would be truly terrible as it would be >> essentially unusable and have a terrible exper

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: >> On 4 November 2013 22:53, Sean DALY wrote: >>> >>> * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development >>> ecosystem seems to be at a crossroads. I am encouraged by t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
>> Look at these older tests of sugar on the RPi: >>http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi >> >> This part of the Advanced topics wiki page on the sugarlabs wiki: >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Advanced_Topics#ARM >> >> Tom Gilliard > > I could not find an

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > Hi… > > Last year at SCaLE George Hunt helped me get Sugar running on my RPi. > Because our booth was so busy, it took parts of both Saturday and Sunday to > get it going. I then tried it when I got home and found that it was prone to > stalls

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 5 November 2013 00:07, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Daniel Narvaez >> wrote: >> > Broken annotation in abiword. Trying to figure out the correct one then >> > I'll >> > open a bug + patch. >> >> Thanks! L

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Thanks a lot for the feedback Peter. I will check these out. For the record, I was thinking about Sugar on Linux on Raspberry, not Android. On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Daniel Narvaez > > > wrote: > > On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robi

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Ok, I will reply to your points, just in different order: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > Gonzalo - I'm sorry, I was unable to attend the SLOBs meeting today. > > There are issues with doing PR about the release > > * Our target market, the ten million or so grade-school teache

Re: [Sugar-devel] different perspectives

2013-11-05 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: > Dear Community, > > As I was listening to the interviews of some of the OLPC SF Summit > attendees, I was amazed at the richness of diversity in perspectives. > In spite of being a part of this community since July 2007, and trying > to keep u

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Do you know what's the status of graphics with the BeagleBone Black? On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Daniel Narvaez > > > wrote: > > On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson > > > > wrote: > >> > >> Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Do you know what's the status of graphics with the BeagleBone Black? Sugar on the BBB should work fine with the modesetting driver OOTB (I've still got some kernel bits to do in Fedora, 3.12 should be much better) as it doesn't need 3D. The

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Is 3D support for the BBB not planned/possible? I know we don't require it at the moment but it would be nice to have in the future (and it *might* speed up things even with the current software...). On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Daniel Narva

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Going a bit off topic, but a pretty major issue I see in our workflow with Fedora is that we don't have a good way to develop unstable Sugar on a stable Fedora. Rawhide is, or at least is perceived as, unstable. And I'm not sure what would be a good way to, for example, produce and distribute 0.100

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Sorry for the top posting, quoting on gmail on iPhone is a pain. > > * I'm glad that you see some runway for the XO and I really hope you are > right, it would be awesome. I think even just the uncertainity is a big > issue for upstream devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Going a bit off topic, but a pretty major issue I see in our workflow with > Fedora is that we don't have a good way to develop unstable Sugar on a > stable Fedora. Rawhide is, or at least is perceived as, unstable. And I'm > not sure what wo

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Yeah, my target here is development and testing, not final users. Basically I'm talking about what Gonzalo has been doing for 0.100. We could automate that work, it just feels a bit wrong to me because it's not using the normal Fedora infrastructure... On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Walter Bender wr

Re: [Sugar-devel] Going Forward (Sugar oversight board meeting)

2013-11-05 Thread Tony Anderson
+1 Well said! On 11/05/2013 04:03 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: Having been involved in the OLPC OS side of things I believe you would be much better taking the work done by OLPC with things like olpc-os-builder and the work upstream with Fedora to use it to build out OS images that will work in a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Going Forward (Sugar oversight board meeting)

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
I agree too but I'm not sure anyone on this thread was saying something different :) On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Tony Anderson wrote: > +1 Well said! > > On 11/05/2013 04:03 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> Having been involved in the OLPC OS side of things I believe you would >> be much better t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Is 3D support for the BBB not planned/possible? I know we don't require it > at the moment but it would be nice to have in the future (and it *might* > speed up things even with the current software...). It's only available via a closed sour

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Going a bit off topic, but a pretty major issue I see in our workflow with > Fedora is that we don't have a good way to develop unstable Sugar on a > stable Fedora. Rawhide is, or at least is perceived as, unstable. And I'm > not sure what wo

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Oh, awesome, COPR seems to be exactly what we need. On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Narvaez > > > wrote: > > Going a bit off topic, but a pretty major issue I see in our workflow > with > > Fedora is that we don't have a good way to dev

[Sugar-devel] new features for 102

2013-11-05 Thread Walter Bender
I wrote up a page for a proposed enhancement to the About Me section of the control panel [1]. Summary: OLPC Australia uses gender and age as part of their program analysis. They also use age to modify the behavior of some activities, e.g., the robot in the Speak activity takes on the age of the

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-web - How to load non-AMD js modules / libs?

2013-11-05 Thread Code
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Manuel Quiñones wrote: > 2013/11/4 Code : > > I think this is off-topic... > > BTW: perhaps you wanna see this thread from RequireJS' list where James > > Burke (core developer of RequireJS lib) talks about these syntax forms. > > If there is something realted to t

[Sugar-devel] new feature for 102: Launch Limits

2013-11-05 Thread Walter Bender
I wrote up a page for a proposed enhancement to set limit to open activities and open instances [1]. Summary: At the request of OLPC AU (in an effort to reduce OOM freezes) this patch uses gconf to set a maximum number of open activities. An alert is shown if the user tries to launch more activit

[Sugar-devel] new feature for 102: honor maximum_participants

2013-11-05 Thread Walter Bender
I wrote up a page for a proposed enhancement to honor the maximum participants field [1] Summary At the request of OLPC AU, we'd like to honor the maximum_participants limit. Right now that limit is only used to determine whether or not an activity can be shared, but not the number of users who c

Re: [Sugar-devel] new features for 102

2013-11-05 Thread Ignacio Rodríguez
+1 to this feature :) Saludos. Ignacio Rodríguez 2013/11/5 Walter Bender > I wrote up a page for a proposed enhancement to the About Me section > of the control panel [1]. > > Summary: > > OLPC Australia uses gender and age as part of their program analysis. > They also use age to modify the b

[Sugar-devel] new feature proposal for 102: sharing favorites

2013-11-05 Thread Walter Bender
I've written up a new feature description to enable updating favorires through a dbus service [1]. Summary Since multiple homeviews landed in Sugar 100, it would be nice to enable user-space updates to the homeviews. This requires a new dbus service. The idea is that Sugar activities, e.g. ShareF

Re: [Sugar-devel] new feature for 102: honor maximum_participants

2013-11-05 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Looks similar to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Can_share Gonzalo On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > I wrote up a page for a proposed enhancement to honor the maximum > participants field [1] > > Summary > > At the request of OLPC AU, we'd like to honor the maximum_par

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-web - How to load non-AMD js modules / libs?

2013-11-05 Thread Manuel Quiñones
2013/11/5 Code : > > > > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Manuel Quiñones wrote: >> >> 2013/11/4 Code : >> > I think this is off-topic... >> > BTW: perhaps you wanna see this thread from RequireJS' list where James >> > Burke (core developer of RequireJS lib) talks about these syntax forms. >> > If

Re: [Sugar-devel] different perspectives

2013-11-05 Thread Lionel Laské
Great thread idea ! I must answer. > 1) What brought you into the OLPC and/or Sugar project(s)? I've subscribed to the first G1G1. The laptop was terribly late and I've planned it for my child's birthday so I bought another on eBay. Once I've got the XO in my hand, I fall in love of it. So I've

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Flavio Danesse
My humble opinion (please stick to one): To put into perspective the opinion, I should remember that besides developing for sugar since 2009, I am also a teacher in high school, so I've been inside ceibal classrooms during this time. >From the beginning, I said I saw the fate of sugar linked to t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Sameer Verma
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Flavio Danesse wrote: > My humble opinion (please stick to one): > > To put into perspective the opinion, I should remember that besides > developing for sugar since 2009, I am also a teacher in high school, so I've > been inside ceibal classrooms during this time.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Flavio Danesse wrote: > My humble opinion (please stick to one): > > To put into perspective the opinion, I should remember that besides > developing for sugar since 2009, I am also a teacher in high school, so I've > been inside ceibal classrooms during this time.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hi Flavio, I'm not sure what you are flagging as a mistake exactly, there is quite a bit of confusion around android and html5, it means very different things to different people. So it would be good if you could clarify. And I'm not sure what you are proposing. Certainly everyone in this thread

Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers? [ Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 21]

2013-11-05 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
>> The big idea is that open sources projects thrive when they create >> conditions and cultures where people with overlapping yet  >> non-identical goals can come together collaborate around a common >> goal. >> Sugar Labs has found itself in a position where there is a high >> degree of conformi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers? [ Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 21]

2013-11-05 Thread Sebastian Silva
El 06/11/13 00:40, Yioryos Asprobounitis escribió: Looking at the archives of this list you can find several cases (some recent) of "non-conforming" contributors that are not contributing anymore, supporting the "high conformity" hypothesis. I too feel the overall attitude within this list has