Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-21 Thread Sean DALY
Yes, of course, which is why my idea was to get assistance. To be clear, I'm in favor of whatever solution could ease installation. Choosing a keyboard layout from scratch can be quite tricky for the uninitiated, the Virtualbox list is long with many variants (

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-21 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
Hi Sean, Is it a thing that you would contemplate now, to approach Oracle (for corporate sponsorship, perhaps) but in particular about what support they would offer Sugarlabs towards our targets? Would there be a view against this idea? Regards, Iain On Sat, 2015-03-21 at 11:37 +0100, Sean

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-21 Thread Sean DALY
I'm certainly willing to try again. However the community (starting with the Oversight Board) needs to support the initiative - technical work is involved on our side even with a partner, including work I probably don't even know about. And SL's immediate focus is on mentoring GSoC projects. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects - SOAS

2015-03-20 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
-devel] GSoC projects Message-ID: 1426803955.2592.56.camel@vey-waldorf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi James, Thank you for taking the time to make a thoughtful contribution. Perhaps you will forgive me if I brainstorm this a bit. On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 08:48 +1100

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-20 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 11:49 +1100, James Cameron wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:25:55PM +, Iain Brown Douglas wrote: Thank you for taking the time to make a thoughtful contribution. Perhaps you will forgive me if I brainstorm this a bit. Yep, no worries. Interesting, but you went

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-20 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
We can ask language and keyboard in the first boot as we do with age and gender. I think create and maintain a complete matrix of VMs will be more difficult. Gonzalo On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: We need to do everything possible to reduce Sugar's

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-20 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
I didn't have idea that there are so many virtualization options: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtualization_software If we could have a almost automatic way to create a vm, and share to users in windows or mac, could solve a lot of problems, and help us reach a bigger

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-20 Thread Sebastian Silva
I was under the impression that the only viable option for that purpose was Virtualbox, but it's license is pretty dubious (GPLv2 + some useful parts proprietary). Oracle has a history of bad behaviour with regard to licenses, so I would not put all of our eggs in this basket. Still, with 3

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-20 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
| A different approach would be to provide a virtual machine _and_ virtualisation software _and_ all the necessary configuration files so that the user is not exposed to the virtualisation. Yes. This would be great. Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-20 Thread Sebastian Silva
El 20/03/15 a las 06:58, Gonzalo Odiard escibiĆ³: | A different approach would be to provide a virtual machine _and_ virtualisation software _and_ all the necessary configuration files so that the user is not exposed to the virtualisation. Yes. This would be great. This

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-20 Thread Sean DALY
No the license was fine last time i checked - look at the section concerning nonprofit/educational use. Our plan had been to bundle Sugar prebuilt images with the Virtualbox installer. The real issue is the extensions which are separate from the installer for licensing reasons and must be loaded

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-20 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
My idea at the time was to approach Oracle for corporate sponsorship of Virtualbox images, in particular hosting a workflow to automate prebuilt images by host language/keyboard, however some community members were aghast at the idea. Is still needed have a vm by host language/keyboard? Or we

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-20 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 08:43:52AM -0500, Sebastian Silva wrote: Still, with 3 months time, a student should be able to pull off making it as friendly as possible, but it would have to be repeatable, like you say, almost automatic. Yes, repeatability would be essential. That's something I'm

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-20 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 06:26:34PM +0100, Sean DALY wrote: My idea at the time was to approach Oracle for corporate sponsorship of Virtualbox images, in particular hosting a workflow to automate prebuilt images by host language/keyboard, however some community members were aghast at the idea.

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-20 Thread Sean DALY
We need to do everything possible to reduce Sugar's installation and unfamiliarity barriers. Not everyone speaks English and can find and configure the Sugar control panel on their first encounter with Sugar. A keyboard mismatched with what appears on the screen merely gives the impression it

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Jerry Vonau
Hi Iain: On March 19, 2015 at 5:25 PM Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Hi James, Thank you for taking the time to make a thoughtful contribution. Perhaps you will forgive me if I brainstorm this a bit. On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 08:48 +1100, James Cameron wrote: I've

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
Hi Jerry, On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 18:02 -0500, Jerry Vonau wrote: Hi Iain: On March 19, 2015 at 5:25 PM Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Hi James, Thank you for taking the time to make a thoughtful contribution. Perhaps you will forgive me if I brainstorm this

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 18:44 -0500, Jerry Vonau wrote: On March 19, 2015 at 6:30 PM Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Hi Jerry, If one knew that a SoaS CD would always make a Sugar stick, the prospect of selling the CD, (by third parties ?) becomes more

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
Hi James, Thank you for taking the time to make a thoughtful contribution. Perhaps you will forgive me if I brainstorm this a bit. On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 08:48 +1100, James Cameron wrote: I've often thought of making such an application, because of the difficulties that some people report with

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Jerry Vonau
On March 19, 2015 at 6:30 PM Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Hi Jerry, If one knew that a SoaS CD would always make a Sugar stick, the prospect of selling the CD, (by third parties ?) becomes more doable. Is there any specific branding that you want to

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:25:55PM +, Iain Brown Douglas wrote: Thank you for taking the time to make a thoughtful contribution. Perhaps you will forgive me if I brainstorm this a bit. Yep, no worries. Interesting, but you went off into areas I didn't have any comment on. I do have a

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects - SOAS

2015-03-19 Thread Tony Anderson
: Iain Brown Douglasi...@browndouglas.plus.com To: James Cameronqu...@laptop.org Cc:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects Message-ID: 1426803955.2592.56.camel@vey-waldorf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi James, Thank you for taking the time to make

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Hi Iain! GSoC project are for 3 months of work for a university student. Do you think that script imply that amount of work? What should be the use case? Auto duplicate SoaS? Reagrds, Gonzalo On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Hi All, I

[Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
Hi All, I wonder if anyone would think it appropriate (or inappropriate) to add this idea to Google Summer of Code [1]? To write a script for use with Sugar on a Stick, which would probe the capacity of an inserted USB stick,and deliver the livecd-iso-to-disk command on confirmation by the

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread James Cameron
I've often thought of making such an application, because of the difficulties that some people report with downloading files and putting them on USB drive. The problem with an application is one may end up having to explain how to download the application; transferring the issue from the original

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 11:11 -0500, Sebastian Silva wrote: By no means! It actually is a great idea. Since you had the idea (or the itch) to fix this, I would ask that you, please, see it thru to completion. ;-) Take 10 minutes to list all the ways trying Sugar could be improved, or,

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 10:11 -0500, Sebastian Silva wrote: But perhaps you could envision a more complete solution related to Sugar on a Stick's need (Fedora / Trisquel / future variants). This is an important part of your reply. My envisioning does not go that far, :( Regards, Iain

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Sebastian Silva
By no means! It actually is a great idea. Since you had the idea (or the itch) to fix this, I would ask that you, please, see it thru to completion. ;-) Take 10 minutes to list all the ways trying Sugar could be improved, or, where not improved, at least better documented. There. Now you

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Sebastian Silva
Hi Iain. IMHO you'd need to flesh it out some more, the simple conditional you spec'd out should take an afternoon to code. You need to think of something that will fit a 5000 US$ developing stipend and/or if you prefer, a summer's work. By the way, I am under the impression this is a problem

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 10:11 -0500, Sebastian Silva wrote: Hi Iain. IMHO you'd need to flesh it out some more, the simple conditional you spec'd out should take an afternoon to code. You need to think of something that will fit a 5000 US$ developing stipend and/or if you prefer, a summer's

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-19 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 12:12 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: Hi Iain! GSoC project are for 3 months of work for a university student. Do you think that script imply that amount of work? No :) What should be the use case? Auto duplicate SoaS? Reagrds, The use case is in the field of Auto

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-18 Thread Peter Robinson
I've added a few ideas that would be very useful for SoaS (and in general I believe), I hope it's not too late, feel free to update/edit/change/query. Peter On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Sure. Please add them Measure to GST 1.0 would be good as

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-04 Thread Walter Bender
Sure. Please add them Measure to GST 1.0 would be good as well. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Looking at the GSoC 2015 idea page [1] I'm wondering if it's possible to get some other core items added as part of the sugar core projects?

[Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

2015-03-04 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi All, Looking at the GSoC 2015 idea page [1] I'm wondering if it's possible to get some other core items added as part of the sugar core projects? Like: * Covert Record to gtk3 / gstreamer 1 * Covert TamTam/Speak etc to CSound 6 Peter [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2015