The Duchess of Windsor's Cartier sundial watch

2010-11-19 Thread Robert Terwilliger
On Nov. 30 Sotheby's London will auction Exceptional Jewels and Precious Objects Formerly in the Collection of The Duchess Of Windsor The New York Times describes one lot : Another piece is a gold oval Cartier watch-cum-compass and sundial. One side of this inspired piece of boy-scout

FW: Sundial Information

2010-11-19 Thread John Carmichael
Hi Dialists: I received this intriguing letter from Ohio State University. The writer talks about an old publication called The Sundial. And then asked me if I am aware of any relationship between sundials and owls! I am not aware of any association between the two. I asked him to send me

Re: FW: Sundial Information

2010-11-19 Thread Brad Lufkin
I suspect there's no relationship. The publishers of the humor magazine were probably making an oblique reference to the owl of Athena, which is a symbol of wisdom. A bit sly, but also a bit self-congratulatory (but this is a college humor magazine, not Dean Swift). Brad On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at

Owls and sundials

2010-11-19 Thread Wolfgang R. Dick
John, There may be another connection - between humor and owls, since this was a humor journal. In Germany the accociation between humor and owls come from Till Eulenspiegel (Till Owlmirror, in English literature known as Owlglass, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Till_Eulenspiegel). Perhaps the

Re: Owls and sundials

2010-11-19 Thread Willy Leenders
If we're going yet the ridiculous tour, 'sundial' in Dutch is 'zonnewijzer' 'wijzer' is the comparative of 'wijs' (wise in English) and the owl is a symbol for wisdom. Willy Leenders Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) with a

Re: FW: Sundial Information

2010-11-19 Thread Frank King
Dear John, I'm asking you guys if you have seen any relationship between owls and sundials. I once tried very hard to establish such a relationship but my best intentions were not appreciated... I had a client and I wanted to symbolise sunrise and sunset on the proposed sundial. I offered a

Re: Owls and sundials

2010-11-19 Thread Александр Болдырев
Yes, the correlation between sundials and owls exists, I think. http://www.boldyrevsundials.com/skafis-sova.html Aleks --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial

life before clocks

2010-11-19 Thread Brent
I wonder what life was like before mechanical clocks. I suppose your day was less structured than ours are today. Maybe to work at sunrise, go home at sunset. Eat when you are hungry, sleep when you are tired. I wonder how many people used sundials? Was it a common thing to have? Was it a

Re: life before clocks

2010-11-19 Thread Yan Seiner
On Fri, November 19, 2010 1:41 pm, Brent wrote: I wonder what life was like before mechanical clocks. I suppose your day was less structured than ours are today. Maybe to work at sunrise, go home at sunset. Eat when you are hungry, sleep when you are tired. I wonder how many people used

Re: life before clocks

2010-11-19 Thread R Wall
Hi Brent, That reminds be of a book that I read that indicated that some society or club meetings were held on certain days close to the full moon. For example, every month on the Thursday after the full moon at 9pm. I assume that was to allow you to use the moon light to travel at night in

Re: life before clocks

2010-11-19 Thread Brad Lufkin
Probably the best book on the invention and impact of mechanical clocks is Revolution in Time by David S. Landes. Not sure if it's still in print. Brad On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:09 PM, R Wall maill...@virginbroadband.com.auwrote: Hi Brent, That reminds be of a book that I read that indicated

Re: FW: Sundial Information

2010-11-19 Thread enquiries
Perhaps the connection is that the ancient Greek word 'gnomon' means 'one who discerns' or 'that which reveals' . Athena (and her Roman equivalent, Minerva) was the godess of wisdom and her symbol was the owl.  Harriet Harriet James Sunnydials 35 Bradley Road Warminster BA12 8BN

Re: life before clocks

2010-11-19 Thread Kevin Karney
Brent This is a HUGE series of questions you have raised. Here are a few observations Remember that clocks for the masses are very very new (mid to late 19th C). Throughout most of civilization, there were 12 unequal hours between sunrise and sunset. The marked time on a sundial was an

Re: Sundial Information

2010-11-19 Thread Kevin Karney
I'm for Harriet's interpretation Athene, her owl and the meaning of gnomon K On 19 Nov 2010, at 16:03, Brad Lufkin wrote: I suspect there's no relationship. The publishers of the humor magazine were probably making an oblique reference to the owl of Athena, which is a symbol of wisdom.

Water clocks Re: life before clocks

2010-11-19 Thread guber1
The earliest known water clock was invented by Amenemhet at Karnak/Thebes, Egypt in about 1500 BC. A descendent clock is in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. It was used for determining night hours -- recommended for use on cloudy nights where the stars were not visible. Images are on the Web, see

Re: life before clocks

2010-11-19 Thread Brent
Hi Kevin; Wow, this is great. So you didn't need a sundial, you were the sundial. Just compare the length of your shadow by your height... ...just count the number of feet, your feet, the length of your shadow. I'll give that a try tomorrow when the sun comes out. Thanks everyone for the