to those who responded with suggestions about finding early
GB patents. Although excellent, they did not help me with either my
specific problem, or the more general one of the almost impenetrable
opacity of the GB IP Office.
So I'm still looking for a professional searcher. Ah well, that's
into the history of Australian rural fences (I
said it was off-list!), I am trying to get copies of GB patents for
fence-related items. Although I am pretty good at searching, I find GB
patents the most difficult to find. Espacenet picks up some, but only a
fraction of the many that I am certain exist
Hi all,
Was having a look at Google Patents using the key word sundial and found a
number of interesting sundial patents.
Below is one that I thought was an interesting patent:
Combination lawn/garden ornament and cremation container
http://www.google.com/patents?id=JrwEEBAJprintsec
Here is a sundial at Mt. Auburn Cemetery in
Cambridge MA, USA.
It's probably not a cremation container, but certainly
could be.
http://www.dickkoolish.com/rmk_page/sundials/payson_mtauburn.html
Hi all,
Was having a look at Google Patents using the key word sundial and =
found a number
: Using Google Patent to find Sundial Patents.
Here is a sundial at Mt. Auburn Cemetery in
Cambridge MA, USA.
It's probably not a cremation container, but certainly
could be.
http://www.dickkoolish.com/rmk_page/sundials/payson_mtauburn.html
Hi all,
Was having a look at Google Patents
fellow Shadow Watchers,
I have just received my copy of the NASS CD ROM
'Sundial Patents'. What a treasury of creative (and sometimes zany)
thought.
I'd expected a few dozen documents but I'll still be happily browsing
here for weeks.
Tony Moss
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The NASS Repository CD contains a large amount of
info on dialing. One of the ongoing projects for updates to the CD is the
addition of more and more U.S. sundial-related patents. The latest version
of the CD has the fulldocuments for 100 patents since 1952. Many
more to come as the CD
J.Tallman wrote:
Hello Brooke,
but some of the ones I saw listed did not
really seem unique enough to warrant/earn patent protection.
Well, when you know that Microsoft has the word Windows under
trade mark protection... I think anything can be expected.
- fernando
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REDUZIR, REUSAR,
Hello Brooke,
I was surprised to see so many recent sundial patents on your page. I
always figured that the sundial was had been around so long that it would be
hard or needless to patent one. I can see a patent on something like Daniel
Wenger's very unique sundial, but some of the ones I saw
I am no expert on U.S. or international
patent law. However, if you are
concerned about originality issues, have
two witnesses sign and date a
description or disclosure form.
Keeping in mind that patents really only
give you greater force in pursuing (and
paying for) a law suit, consider what
PRESS (www.nolo.com). They
have legal self-help publications including excellent ones on Trademarks,
Copyrights, and Patents. In one or all of these are forms and boilerplate
for various situations. An important one that can be used in conjunction
with approaching a potential partner, manufacturer
Hello John,
So far, there seems to be a unanimous consensus that a patent for a
sundial design isn't worth it, I completely agree. However, in my usual
contraryian fashion, I will say that looking over past sundial patents
has been a fascinating adventure. I have copied all US patent
There is so much confusion about patents. There are many myths
constantly circulating that just aren't true. It's not extremely
expensive, the originator of the invention is the patentor (typically).
There are two type of U.S. patents. etc. etc. etc
If your are truly interested
Some thoughts on patents.
1) Is the design patentable? Note that there are mechanical patents and
design patents.
It is more expensive and more difficult to obtain a mechanical patent.
2) Is there already an existing patent, perhaps made by the original
designer or someone else?
Patent searchs
on a contingency basis). However, I question that most
sundial designs are commercially valuable enough to go to court over to
recover damages.
Patents are different and must be both novel and applied for. A working
model is (I believe) no longer necessary. I doubt that most sundial designs
Hi Luke and everyone:
You wrote:
As far as patenting a sundial design,
I would say don't bother. Firstly, it will cost you about $5k to file it
yourself and a lot more should you need to enforce it. I seriously doubt
any sundial designer could afford such litigation. A patent gives you a
legal
John,
If prior art can be shown then any current patent claim can be
voided, this has indeed happened. As far as patenting a sundial design,
I would say don't bother. Firstly, it will cost you about $5k to file it
yourself and a lot more should you need to enforce it. I seriously doubt
On Sun 28 Nov 1999 (08:31:30), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What should be done in this situation so that everybody wins and is
happy with the outcome? Have any of you been faced with this
situation, and what did you do to resolve it?
I am not sure whether there are USA equivalents, but in
domain. Any one can use
your ideas, concepts etc as long as their creation is not a copy of yours.
The courts are extending this to include look and feel but in general you
are only protected from direct copying.
Patents are much more specific. A patent puts the invention in the public
domain
The originator can not patent, as he has revealed his invention (prior art)
But you can patent the improvements (not the original idea)
But as Luke says - it's expensive.
Mike
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Chester, UK
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