Re: Direct South Dial

2007-06-23 Thread JOHN DAVIS
Hi Andrew, As Bob Terwilliger pointed out, I made a sundial out of a wall satellite dish some years ago. I published the results and method in: J. Davis: ‘Satellites and sundials’, BSS Bulletin, 11(ii), pp.77-80, (1999). My dish was one of the old Astra analogue ones and was a pe

Re: Direct South Dial

2007-06-22 Thread Edley McKnight
Hi Andrew, The easiest and quickest way combined to lay out sundials on arbitrary surfaces is by either a string or a laser trigon. A variety of sundials can be used as models in order to transfer the hour and date lines to the surface. There have been a number of articles on this in the NASS

RE: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread Richard Pauli
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Carmichael Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:57 PM To: 'Willy Leenders' Cc: 'Sundial List' Subject: RE: Direct South Dial Dear Willy I’m not sure I agree with you. I think the empirical method automaticly corrects for the longitude s

RE: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread Richard Pauli
To: 'Willy Leenders' Cc: 'Sundial List' Subject: RE: Direct South Dial Dear Willy I’m not sure I agree with you. I think the empirical method automaticly corrects for the longitude shift. If you mark the shadow’s location using a watch on a day when the EOT is zero, the

RE: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread Simon \[illustratingshadows
> > > > -Original Message- > From: Simon [illustratingshadows > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:34 PM > To: Willy Leenders; John Carmichael > Cc: 'Sundial List' > Subject: Re: Direct South Dial > > John's me

RE: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread Robert Terwilliger
quot; http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/apod/apod_search?analemma _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Carmichael Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:57 PM To: 'Willy Leenders' Cc: 'Sundial List' Subject: RE: Direct South Dial Dear Willy I’m not s

RE: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread John Carmichael
el Cc: 'Sundial List' Subject: Re: Direct South Dial John's method does mark legal time and thus does consider longitude. However, unless I am more than usually dense today, it provides hour points for a given declination, not hour lines. However, it has been a long day, so I may simply

RE: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread John Carmichael
Carmichael Cc: 'Andrew Corl'; 'Sundial List' Subject: Re: Direct South Dial Hi John, Using your empirical method, not only the equation of time must be zero, you have to take in account the correction for longitude. Willy Leenders Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) Op

Re: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread Simon \[illustratingshadows
John's method does mark legal time and thus does consider longitude. However, unless I am more than usually dense today, it provides hour points for a given declination, not hour lines. However, it has been a long day, so I may simply be denser than usual:) Simon --- Willy Leenders <[EMAIL PRO

Re: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread Willy Leenders
Hi John, Using your empirical method, not only the equation of time must be zero, you have to take in account the correction for longitude. Willy Leenders Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) Op 21-jun-07, om 21:24 heeft John Carmichael het volgende geschreven: Hello Andrew: There is an easy w

Re: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread Douglas Bateman
Dear Andrew, Many satellite dishes are made from perforated metal sheet. Is yours similarly partially transparent? If so, a basic vertical dial can be drawn on a flat sheet (declining if necessary) and then sight through the dish onto the flat sheet and transfer the hour lines by eye 'forward

RE: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread John Carmichael
Hello Andrew: There is an easy way to mark the hourlines on a satellite dish or any surface for that matter, without using any formulas or math. Use what some call the “empirical method”. This method is useful for oddly shaped surfaces. 1. Position the dish in the direction that you want

Re: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread dbell
While Willy is absolutely correct, the part about knowing and computing for the shape of the dish is probably the real killer task. This is an application where I would advocate the empirical approach: Properly orient the dial face and style, then manually lay out points, with a watch in hand. Pla

Re: Direct South Dial

2007-06-21 Thread Willy Leenders
Hi Andrew, you have to orient the disc to the south you have to decline the disc to a vertical position on a vertical and south oriented plane behind the disc you have to work out (virtually) the hour lines and date lines of a vertical south oriented nodal sundial - the node must be a part of