Re: [Sursound] A different portal

2012-10-24 Thread Martin Leese
Martin Leese wrote: > Here is a different portal, this one in the UK > and made from rubber: > http://www.jay-harris.co.uk/tag/ambisonics/ More details are available at: http://www.prosoundnewseurope.com/main-content/full/squarepusher-installed-in-trafalgar-square-sound-portal Including: "Inside

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread etienne deleflie
> So is this, in fact, the ultimate file format that folk on this list have > been arguing for (and over) for so long? I dont know about "ultimate" formats ... but one existing format is Universal Ambisonic (UA). It is documented Here: http://soundofspace.com/static/make_ua_file And there is lots

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread Martin Leese
Richard Dobson wrote: ... > So is this, in fact, the ultimate file format that folk on this list > have been arguing for (and over) for so long? No, absolutely not. The fact that it has been patented means that it should not be used. The situation is similar the the GIF image file format. When

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread Mathieu Guillaume
Hi, Richard Dobson wrote: I guess I haven't played the system well enough - as the person who first published the amb format (not in 2009 but in 2000, in my paper for ICMC Berlin) it would have been a nice addition to my meagre CV to have been mentioned in a patent application. Perhaps I shou

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 24 Oct 2012, at 06:56, Richard Dobson wrote: > Interesting (in its way), looks like a combo of HOA Ambisonic scene > description (using multiple HOA streams possibly of different orders) and > bandwidth compression; A real scene description would describe the space, the sound sources, and t

Re: [Sursound] The quietest place on Earth : Tours & Classes, USA

2012-10-24 Thread Eero Aro
David Pickett wrote: In the USA it is usually even higher! Well, you said it. I was trying to be correct, but thought the same... :-) Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound

Re: [Sursound] The quietest place on Earth : Tours & Classes, USA

2012-10-24 Thread David Pickett
In the USA it is usually even higher! At 12:10 24/10/2012, Eero Aro wrote: Hi The site says that "an average conversation runs at about 30 decibels" I wonder where in the world? Compared to what? A decibel is a ratio. Normal discussion usually at around 45-50 dB(A). Journalists... Eero ___

Re: [Sursound] The quietest place on Earth : Tours & Classes, USA

2012-10-24 Thread Eero Aro
Hi The site says that "an average conversation runs at about 30 decibels" I wonder where in the world? Compared to what? A decibel is a ratio. Normal discussion usually at around 45-50 dB(A). Journalists... Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@mu

[Sursound] The quietest place on Earth : Tours & Classes, USA

2012-10-24 Thread Andrew Castiglione
http://www.bbc.com/travel/blog/20121022-the-quietest-place-on-earth Whispering. cheers!!! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20121024/9a0d1d85/attachment.h

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread Richard Dobson
Hmm, well, that rather proves my point, and I will write to them. I have every confidence that that sentence was written ironically rather than hagiographically. Suffice it to say, I, Richard Dobson, did that work in 2000; and it appears the title to even that very modest piece of IP (embodied

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread Michael Chapman
> > "The B-Format (based on the extensible ^iff/wav' structure) with its > *.amb file format realisation as described as of 30 March 2009 for > example in Martin Leese, "File Format for B-Format ", http://www. > ambisonia.com/Members/etienne/Members/mleese/file-format-for-b-format, > is the most s

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread Richard Dobson
Interesting (in its way), looks like a combo of HOA Ambisonic scene description (using multiple HOA streams possibly of different orders) and bandwidth compression; i.e. there is an encoding and decoding device as part of the application, as there would need to be, given that patents ultimately

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread Michael Chapman
> Hi > > On 24 October 2012 09:37, Michael Chapman wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just noticed this the other day: >>> >>> WO2012059385 DATA STRUCTURE FOR HIGHER ORDER AMBISONICS AUDIO DATA >>> > > >> Who is/are the applicant(s) ? > > Well it's Thomson and the inventors include people like Johann-Markus >

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread Dave Malham
Hi On 24 October 2012 09:37, Michael Chapman wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just noticed this the other day: >> >> WO2012059385 DATA STRUCTURE FOR HIGHER ORDER AMBISONICS AUDIO DATA >> > Who is/are the applicant(s) ? Well it's Thomson and the inventors include people like Johann-Markus Batke and others w

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread Michael Chapman
> Hi, > > Just noticed this the other day: > > WO2012059385 DATA STRUCTURE FOR HIGHER ORDER AMBISONICS AUDIO DATA > > http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2012059385 > > I haven't read all the 75 pages, mostly looking at the pictures :-) Who is/are the applicant(s) ? > But it

[Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread Roger Klaveness
Hi, Just noticed this the other day: WO2012059385 DATA STRUCTURE FOR HIGHER ORDER AMBISONICS AUDIO DATA http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2012059385 I haven't read all the 75 pages, mostly looking at the pictures :-) But it looks like it's about combining different stream