Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Stefan. With two subs, I would place them at front-left and front-right, and I would decode to frontal stereo. For horizontal-only, Ambisonics requires at least 3 speakers. In both cases, there could be some directional cues, but only for frequencies a bit higher t

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Steven Boardman wrote: If there is an LFE sub in a playback system, that also has full range satellites,. Why not use it? Music playback on these systems can still use the full range, but also use the sub for dynamic effect. Particularly when it is dialled low. It allows the program material

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Marc Lavallée
Hi Stefan. With two subs, I would place them at front-left and front-right, and I would decode to frontal stereo. For horizontal-only, Ambisonics requires at least 3 speakers. In both cases, there could be some directional cues, but only for frequencies a bit higher than the Schroeder frequenc

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Jörn. On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:50:53 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: frankly, i'm waiting for some well-funded ambisonics wizarding school to go one step further and start building a mixed-order three-way system with a few subs, a few more midrange enclosures and many

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Stefan Schreiber
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Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Steven Boardman
If there is an LFE sub in a playback system, that also has full range satellites,. Why not use it? Music playback on these systems can still use the full range, but also use the sub for dynamic effect. Particularly when it is dialled low. It allows the program material to be louder, as one is u

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 04/19/2015 07:29 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: Otherwise we don't need any sub, and Jörn and Marc could save some money...:-) the saving money part happens when you stop pushing every single loudspeaker down to 20 hz (because extended lf capability equals siz

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Marc Lavallée
Hi Jörn. On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:50:53 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > frankly, i'm waiting for some well-funded ambisonics wizarding school > to go one step further and start building a mixed-order three-way > system with a few subs, a few more midrange enclosures and many, many > small hf unit

[Sursound] Reminder: ICSA 2015, Sept. 18th...20th, Call for contributions, extended deadline: April 26th

2015-04-19 Thread Franz Zotter
The ICSA (International Conference on Spatial Audio) Reminder: The extended deadline for abstract submission (papers/workshops) will be next week, Sunday April 26th 2015, and it is happily waiting for even more submissions :-) http://icsa2015.iem.at Best regards Franz ...next stop: ICSA's A

Re: [Sursound] UHJ anyone?

2015-04-19 Thread Martin Leese
Eero Aro wrote: ... > There was a thread about recognizing UHJ encoding some time ago, > can't remember when. Must have been years... November 2013. The Subject for the thread was "UHJ disc discovery?" A quick scan of the content suggests that the Web page you cited: http://kokkinizita.linuxaudi

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Steven Boardman
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Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 04/19/2015 07:29 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: Otherwise we don't need any sub, and Jörn and Marc could save some money...:-) the saving money part happens when you stop pushing every single loudspeaker down to 20 hz (because extended lf capability equals size and weight and money, and

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 04/11/2015 06:45 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: So a serious question: For which reason (if any) would you need 28 speakers, which is a speaker count above 22.2? (could also be used to reproduce TOA, and is an established format for film audio ) can't commen

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Marc Lavallée
Hi Stefan. I use an equilateral triangle of subs for a few reasons: - I use small satellite speakers with a 125Hz cut-off frequency, so I can hear some directional cues from the subs, around 125Hz; the subs are on a small circle (radius=1.2m), which helps. - The left and right subs are also fo

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Marc Lavallée wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:15:46 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: can't comment on the 28, but .4 is very very nice indeed. i just built a third-order horizontal system for LAC 2015 with only two subwoofers, and it took a lot of tweaking to hide all the wrong localisation

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com

2015-04-19 Thread Stefan Schreiber
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Re: [Sursound] UHJ anyone?

2015-04-19 Thread Eero Aro
Hi Marc Software, VST plugins. My favourite and possibly the one with the best graphic resolution and display is The Flux Stereo Tool: http://www.fluxhome.com/products/freewares/stereotool-v3 There was a thread about recognizing UHJ encoding some time ago, can't remember when. Must have been yea

[Sursound] CFP inSONIC2015 - aesthetics of spatial audio in sound, music and sound-art

2015-04-19 Thread Markus Noisternig
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Re: [Sursound] UHJ anyone?

2015-04-19 Thread Marc Lavallée
Hi Eero. Your method is similar to what Fons explained here: http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/ambisonics/uhjtest/ Fons is using his own software, while you are using a goniometer. Is your goniometer part of a UHJ decoding hardware, or software? It would be nice to have a common method to detect

Re: [Sursound] UHJ anyone?

2015-04-19 Thread Eero Aro
Hi All I don't have an UHJ decoder hooked up at the moment, but by listening to Flower of Life in stereo and looking at the goniometer I must say that this recording is not UHJ encoded. There is a lot of content with large phase differences. Those will decode to the rear part of the soundfield w

Re: [Sursound] Help finding papers - Mertens, H and Simonson, G

2015-04-19 Thread Michael Williams
Please contact Mike Williams at m...@soundsscot.com I can tell you the whole story behind these two references. Mike ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account