Re: [biofuel] Heavier Vehicles Not Always Safer

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hello M >Is anyone else bothered by their insistence on the validity of >counting other drivers' deaths? I think the folks who were claiming >SUV's were safer for themselves and their families clearly were not >talking about any concern for the other car. Right or wrong, it's >clearly different

Re: [biofuel] Trends as I see it.

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
>Good day, >I havent been a member of this group for long but have noticed that >some people cannot resist writing about everything even if they have >nothing worth writing about. >I'n my opinion the Group would be much more Green as regards >bandwith on the internet it these people think twice, "

Re: [biofuel] Hubbert Peak

2002-08-06 Thread Appal Energy
Hakan, Sorry. Didn't mean to "jump" ya'. Just that the status quo is irksome. A whitewashand all too often a greenwash. Actually, if a biodiesel manufacturer wanted to get the biggest bang for his buck, he'd jump in bed with a petrol distributorship and try to stretch it as far as he could.

Re: [biofuel] Trends as I see it.

2002-08-06 Thread Kris Book
Al, I couldn't agree more but, you'll probably have to do like the rest of us and learn which names write informative posts and just delete the rest. For some reason there are a lot of people who refuse to ask themselves if their post is helpful or if they are asking the best possible question be

Re: [biofuel] Heavier Vehicles Not Always Safer

2002-08-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is anyone else bothered by their insistence on the validity of counting other drivers' deaths? I think the folks who were claiming SUV's were safer for themselves and their families clearly were not talking about any concern for the other car. Right or wrong, it's clearly different from what the

Re: [biofuel] California has MTBE-FREE Gasoline

2002-08-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there reason to believe there are 76 Stations not owned by them? >but how do you find locations of particular "76" stations owned by Phillips >Petroleum? > PHILLIPS PETROLEUM'S "76" STATIONS PROVIDE > CALIFORNIANS OPTION OF MTBE-FREE GASOLINE TODAY > July 23, 2002 > http://www.bbiethanol.com

[biofuel] Re: Letter from Matthew Simmons, President of Simmons & Company Int'l

2002-08-06 Thread womplex_oo1
The point made by Mr.Simmons was that the supply of natural gas worldwide is currently decreasing while there is increasing demand. He suggested that even unprecedented exploration hasn't yielded enough gas to maintain supply. He also suggested that this was because exploratory efforts were

Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion

2002-08-06 Thread Appal Energy
Christian, If you are talking in the vicinity of the "beltway," bank on $1,000 a month minimum for an apartment and utilitites. If you are looking for a small "New England" style home, bank on a neighborhood of $1,500 a month or more, which may or may not cover utility costs. Rents are rather ta

RE: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion

2002-08-06 Thread Jim Asher
Hi Christian That amount of money is not enough to live anywhere in any North American city. You would have to be in a small town and be frugal. Jim Asher Ontario Canada -Original Message- From: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 1:43 PM To: biofuel@yahoo

Re: [biofuel] how to convert heating oil into diesel

2002-08-06 Thread Appal Energy
Presuming that it's not #2 Bunker Sea Oil (and believe me, you would know if it is!) and is simply distillate fuel oil of the "kerosene" type, simply filter out the rust and water and put it in the fuel tank. If it has been setting for a considerable period (smells like "old gas"), you might wish

[biofuel] BBC NEWS England Customs expose fuel-laundering plant

2002-08-06 Thread kirk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2177149.stm Customs expose fuel-laundering plant Red diesel is used in agricultural machinery Customs and Excise officers have uncovered a major fuel-laundering operation at an illegal plant in Essex. Officers raided the plant at Chadwell St Mary, near Ti

RE: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion

2002-08-06 Thread kirk
Better get a newspaper before you jump. You may be amazed at rents. -Original Message- From: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:43 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion Thanks. However, I«m not comparing, as I cu

Re: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels

2002-08-06 Thread Ken
> Can't soccer moms be just as busy in microbuses? of a different more satisfying sort, cause they'll be out gathering foodstuffs, planting and encouraging the plant kingdom, playing in waterfalls, rivers, lakes, climbing mountains and breathing some real air; who needs soccer... the question is

RE: [biofuel] Trends as I see it.

2002-08-06 Thread Ryan Morgan
Hi Al, Sorry if I am also contributing to what you consider a waste of bandwidth, have you tried not reading on? If you're using outlook to manage your email, try sorting by conversation. That way, if one doesn't appeal to your taste you can simply ignore the thread. Just a suggestion. ;) Ry

RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels

2002-08-06 Thread Ryan Morgan
Can't soccer moms be just as busy in microbuses? I don't have a problem with that at all. The reason they are right on my tail is because they can see over me...and because they get a sense of power. Have you ever noticed: The bigger the SUV the smaller the woman driving it? Don't get me wrong

Re: [biofuel] California has MTBE-FREE Gasoline

2002-08-06 Thread John Blackmer
but how do you find locations of particular "76" stations owned by Phillips Petroleum? John - Original Message - From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: [biofuel] California has MTBE-FREE Gasoline It wasn't so long ago Phillips Petroleum had

[biofuel] Ethanol plant a boon to Kansas farmers

2002-08-06 Thread MH
"Russell [Kansas] once laid claim as an oil boomtown" Ethanol plant a boon to Kansas farmers BY CARL MANNING August 6, 2002 http://www.bbiethanol.com/news/view.cgi?article=568 RUSSELL, Kan. - On the northern edge of town, there's an aroma of fresh yeast around the new ethanol plant. To

[biofuel] California has MTBE-FREE Gasoline

2002-08-06 Thread MH
It wasn't so long ago Phillips Petroleum had replaced 80% of their MTBE gasoline sales with a ethanol additive. PHILLIPS PETROLEUM'S "76" STATIONS PROVIDE CALIFORNIANS OPTION OF MTBE-FREE GASOLINE TODAY July 23, 2002 http://www.bbiethanol.com/news/view.cgi?article=558 Phillips First Cal

Re: [biofuel] Trends as I see it.

2002-08-06 Thread Ken
at the risk of yet one more e-mail, if the below is directed at me then i feel that what i am saying/proposing is not a waste at all. our way of life Is the root of this problem, and needs to change. i feel if we could agree on a lifestyle, the what and the how, that is managable on all levels

Re: [biofuel] Trends as I see it.

2002-08-06 Thread al
Good day, I havent been a member of this group for long but have noticed that some people cannot resist writing about everything even if they have nothing worth writing about. I'n my opinion the Group would be much more Green as regards bandwith on the internet it these people think twice, "is t

Re: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels

2002-08-06 Thread Ken
but thats a problem with having a population of overly-busy soccer moms, not having suv's... the reason they're right on your tail is that everyone is racing the clock, that needs to change, everyone needs to be free of obligations of all sorts... we really need the courage and the wisdom to let

Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion

2002-08-06 Thread MH
Christian wrote: > > I«ve received a job proposal for a firm in Virginia, USA, > which I must answer by tomorrow, and would like to know > out of American members« experience how much the cost of living > would roughly be there (per month... rent, food, some leisure, savings) > to know if the pr

[biofuel] The Coming Water Crisis

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/usnews/20020803/ts_usn ews/the_coming_water_crisis&e=3 Yahoo! News - Top Stories - U.S. News & World Report The Coming Water Crisis Sat Aug 3,12:46 PM ET BY MARIANNE LAVELLE AND JOSHUA KURLANTZICK The tap water was so dark in Atlanta some days th

[biofuel] Fixing the global water crisis needs more than taps and toilets

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
http://panda.org/news/features/story.cfm?id=3052 WWF International | Newsroom | Features July 2002 Fixing the global water crisis needs more than taps and toilets By Jamie Pittock 31 July 2002 Government leaders meeting at the World Summit on Sustainable Development will take decisions that sha

RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels

2002-08-06 Thread Ryan Morgan
>man do i disagree...to a point, i feel suv's are fine, though i agree that >if one is city bound, (you can have it) there is no need for one, I should have told you I live in Phoenix, AZ where there are few hills, slight chance for snow, even slighter for rain, and a plethora of soccer moms dr

[biofuel] Water, Huntington Beach

2002-08-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels

2002-08-06 Thread Ken
> > Got any stats on how many of them are not city-bound? How many of > them ever went off the tarmac? no i don't, i'm not very scientific... > This one does, or did - make a fool out of your ford f250 4x4, I reckon. > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html > The best car in the world c

Re: [biofuel] Letter from Matthew Simmons, President of Simmons & Company Int'l

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
womplex_oo1 wrote: >Simmons & Company Int'l are investment bankers to the energy >industry, as stated on their website, and they alone are a multi- >billion dollar corporation. Do you think that makes their testimony more reliable or less? >http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/ > >On the subject of Hu

Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion

2002-08-06 Thread Grahams
This is short notice for such a big leap isn't it? However, you must be more specific. I live in the middle of VA. Cost of living varies greatly depending on the county, etc. I am figuring you will be working in a city, perhaps Northern VA? If you live in the city it will cost more in rent but

[biofuel] Heavier Vehicles Not Always Safer

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
http://ens-news.com/ens/jul2002/2002-07-29-09.asp ens Heavier Vehicles Not Always Safer ANN ARBOR, Michigan, July 29, 2002 (ENS) - More quality, not more weight, may make vehicles safer, say researchers from the University of Michigan and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (LBNL). The study

Re: [biofuel] Sewage & Waste Water - was: Somewhat OT: AnimalWaste

2002-08-06 Thread Steve Spence
sandfilter with subsurface irrigation. -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:15:11 +0200 > > greywater recovery is used for irrigation. >Do you treat your grey water in any way before

Re: [biofuel] Re: I think I finally found a good cheap energy site!

2002-08-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Maybe they could start to apply volume calculations for a volume problem. I can not see how a surface calculation can do it, but I am a little bit rusty in manual mathematic solutions. Too spoiled by computers. At 02:40 PM 8/6/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I don't know if their site is cheap, but it'

Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion

2002-08-06 Thread Steve Spence
single, in Virginia, $2300 / month? It's doable, but not great. $8000 / month in NYC, family of 5 ain't great. -- Original Message -- From: "Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:43:23 -0300 >Thanks.

Re: [biofuel] Re: I think I finally found a good cheap energy site!

2002-08-06 Thread Steve Spence
I don't know if their site is cheap, but it's definitly not good. Misleading hogwash at best. Maybe if they get their energy terms straightened out, their science will improve. -- Original Message -- From: kris book <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel

Re: [biofuel] Re: I think I finally found a good cheap energy site!

2002-08-06 Thread William Clark
Think again. I wasted my time on that site. Try contacting them. Bill C. - Original Message - From: "kris book" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Se

[biofuel] Re: I think I finally found a good cheap energy site!

2002-08-06 Thread kris book
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Re: [biofuel] how to convert heating oil into diesel

2002-08-06 Thread Hakan Falk
normally nothing, heating oil = diesel in almost all cases. It is normally not legal and therefore they add a color tracer. Can be very expensive if you are checked. At 01:51 PM 8/6/2002 +, you wrote: >I need advice I have a tank of heating oil can any one tell me what >I need to add to it

Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion

2002-08-06 Thread Christian
Thanks. However, I«m not comparing, as I currently live in Argentina (and know nothing about the cost of living in other US cities.) The proposed salary is about 2300 U$S per month. Do you think that will cover the living costs? Thanks again, Christian - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion

2002-08-06 Thread glenne1949
Christian, it depends on where you live in Virginia. In the DC area , for example, you will encounter one of the highest housing cost places in the U.S. I suggest you try the URL below: Http:://www.bestplaces.net/html/citycompare.asp Here you can compare any two cities from a wide variety of

Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hey Christian - that's amazing, what timing! I was thinking about you as I downloaded my mail, wondering how you were getting on. Synchronicity. >Hi all. > >I honestly apologize in advance for using this group for a personal >question, but I consider all members as friends, and am in desperate

[biofuel] Personal matter/opinion

2002-08-06 Thread Christian
Hi all. I honestly apologize in advance for using this group for a personal question, but I consider all members as friends, and am in desperate need of advice. (Sorry Keith...hope you understand) I«ve received a job proposal for a firm in Virginia, USA, which I must answer by tomorrow, and w

Re: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Ken wrote: >man do i disagree...to a point, i feel suv's are fine, though i agree that >if one is city bound, (you can have it) there is no need for one, Got any stats on how many of them are not city-bound? How many of them ever went off the tarmac? >but even >better are heavy duty trucks, p

RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
>Bill Maher was adamant about how SUVs fund terrorism, not the "red herring" >drugs, "they want you to believe." He bought himself a hybrid, and somehow >worked it into the conversation everytime foriegn dependance on oil was >brought up. I don't see many others going on network television and >

Re: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels

2002-08-06 Thread Ken
man do i disagree...to a point, i feel suv's are fine, though i agree that if one is city bound, (you can have it) there is no need for one, but even better are heavy duty trucks, personally have a ford f250 4x4. if one lives in the cities or very close to them, then these little electric power

[biofuel] how to convert heating oil into diesel

2002-08-06 Thread bmarchant
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RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels

2002-08-06 Thread Ryan Morgan
Bill Maher was adamant about how SUVs fund terrorism, not the "red herring" drugs, "they want you to believe." He bought himself a hybrid, and somehow worked it into the conversation everytime foriegn dependance on oil was brought up. I don't see many others going on network television and proje

Re: [biofuel] Sewage & Waste Water - was: Somewhat OT: AnimalWaste

2002-08-06 Thread milliontc
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[biofuels-biz] Chuck Ranum's processor

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Have a look at Chuck's processing setup, very nice too, he's got it really well figured out, IMO. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor4.html It'll take half a minute to download because of the pictures - they're all optimized, but there are 19 of them. Have a look at the other proce

[biofuel] Chuck Ranum's processor

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Have a look at Chuck's processing setup, very nice too, he's got it really well figured out, IMO. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor4.html It'll take half a minute to download because of the pictures - they're all optimized, but there are 19 of them. Have a look at the other proce

Re: [biofuel] Sewage & Waste Water - was: Somewhat OT: AnimalWaste

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
>Thanks, is there anywhere that lists what has heavy metals in it? I >think I have eliminated the problem, completely, but it would be nice to >be sure. >Kim One thing that has heavy metals in it is commercial fertilizers. "Turning toxic waste into 'fertilizer' saves money. Rather than pay hig

RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels

2002-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Ryan Morgan wrote: >Why the heck did ABC cancel Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect? http://www.newtimesla.com/issues/2001-09-27/stewart.html Crushing a Contrarian 09/27/2001 "... Maher says his undoing came at the hands of two shock-jock radio hosts in Texas who endlessly ran the snippet ("We

Re: [biofuel] Sewage & Waste Water - was: Somewhat OT: AnimalWaste

2002-08-06 Thread Doug Foskey
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:32, you wrote: > The big problem is, heavy metals is an every day fact of life, from paint > to soap, from water pipe to the can of food. Unless you can find out just > how a piece of ceramic was made, you are not likely to know. > > There are test kits out on the market tha